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2 minutes ago, incident said:

I say this not directed in any specific direction.

Play the ball, not the man. There's lots of data out there and so resorting to name calling doesn't help anyone, regardless of whether they're on this forum or not. Yes, even the Zero COVID and Anti-Vax extremists.

Agreed. I regret getting frustrated with a certain someone and calling them stupid. I always tried to play the ball though other than the stupid comments... when the other man cant see the ball the frustration takes hold... 
 

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5 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

They can never lose. They get to go on TV, make everything into a Government failure, scare people, avoid questions that have to be asked of actual Government policy and not trifle with any consequences. People hold up as fact that they’re absolutely right even when that’s unproven. If they’re wrong? So what.

That's not true though. If we go ahead with 21 June and there's no 4th wave because the vaccines hold up, they'll be proven wrong.

Just like how they said there would be a second and third wave in July and November - had we not locked down and there'd been no second or third wave, they'd have been proven wrong. And let's not kid ourselves: people were saying at that point that there would be no second or third wave. 

Because it happened, and because in hindsight it does seem so bloody obvious it was going to happen, it's easy to not give them credit for getting it right.

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5 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Already has.

“Eighteen months in, we’re all tired of this virus. It’s not done with us yet, and if we give it the opportunity to spread, it will.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/02/delta-variant-first-found-in-india-spreads-to-62-countries-hot-spots-form-in-asia-and-africa-who-says-.html

 

And now with a sting in the tail:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/indias-black-fungus-wards/

 

I really wish people in developed countries would learn some humility. I get it's been tough, but pissing and moaning about pubs and clubs in nothing compared to the situation in other coutries.

I work for a tech company with a lot of off shore developers in India. Nearly every single one of them has been either seriously ill, or had family members who have died or are in hospital.

People here need some perspective. It's why I find it insulting when people say 'It OnLy KilLs OlD PeOpLe'.

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Just got my first jab! Moderna pumping through my body currently. 

Actually got interviewed by the BBC before I went in. Not sure what I was babbling on about, but I know I mentioned how trying to get a vaccine slot yesterday was like "desperately refreshing See trying to get Glastonbury tickets". Very on brand. 

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No one seems to be panicking as much as the UK is in Europe

 

I think - like in the US - they're happy with a certain base level of Covid as they reopen their economies. They're not aiming for zero, they're asking "can we reopen our economies, and have a level of infections and hospitalisations we can deal with?"

And they're coming up with the answer "yes".

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6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

No one seems to be panicking as much as the UK is in Europe

 

I think - like in the US - they're happy with a certain base level of Covid as they reopen their economies. They're not aiming for zero, they're asking "can we reopen our economies, and have a level of infections and hospitalisations we can deal with?"

And they're coming up with the answer "yes".

Last time I checked the economy in the UK was open?

Have you taken a walk down the high street recently or actually been to a pub? 

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7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

No one seems to be panicking as much as the UK is in Europe

 

I think - like in the US - they're happy with a certain base level of Covid as they reopen their economies. They're not aiming for zero, they're asking "can we reopen our economies, and have a level of infections and hospitalisations we can deal with?"

And they're coming up with the answer "yes".

Any of those countries planning to drop all restrictions at the end of the month though? Genuine question but I suspect they're not panicking about whether they should drop their restrictions in a few weeks because they're not intending to?

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38 minutes ago, st dan said:

I guess whichever way you look at it, cases more or less doubling in a week is not good news. 

I was expecting much more than 6k seeing as there is meant to be exponential growth??

Are we seeing the numbers plateau already?? We had 6044 on 3rd June... and its not gone higher since? 

Tuesday is usually inflated because of the delay over the weekend? 

Wishful thinking? 

 

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1 minute ago, august1 said:

When did the over 40's get their first jab? Heard they will be bringing forward those second ones forward from 8 weeks to 4  where possible. Which is probably pretty much now?

I got my text 27th April to book. My 2nd jab is booked for 2nd August - 12 weeks after my first. 

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15 minutes ago, Zacko said:

Just got my first jab! Moderna pumping through my body currently. 

Actually got interviewed by the BBC before I went in. Not sure what I was babbling on about, but I know I mentioned how trying to get a vaccine slot yesterday was like "desperately refreshing See trying to get Glastonbury tickets". Very on brand. 

Haha you won't get on - mentioning a brand name 😂

3 minutes ago, Havors said:

I was expecting much more than 6k seeing as there is meant to be exponential growth??

Are we seeing the numbers plateau already?? We had 6044 on 3rd June... and its not gone higher since? 

Tuesday is usually inflated because of the delay over the weekend? 

Wishful thinking? 

 

Nope not wishful I don't think- weather will help. If it stays flat or goes down it at least only justifies a 2 week delay not a 4 week one? 

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3 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Last time I checked the economy in the UK was open?

Have you taken a walk down the high street recently or actually been to a pub? 

True that the majority (although not all) businesses are open. However being open and being profitable are not the same thing. 

Normally pubs would be absolutely rammed at this time of year - summer with a major football tournament on. Money made during this time would then keep them afloat during the quieter periods.

Instead capacity is severely limited and they have to pay extra staff to provide table service. 

Being open is not the same as being sustainable. 

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5 minutes ago, Havors said:

I was expecting much more than 6k seeing as there is meant to be exponential growth??

Are we seeing the numbers plateau already?? We had 6044 on 3rd June... and its not gone higher since? 

Tuesday is usually inflated because of the delay over the weekend? 

Wishful thinking? 

 

Tue is only inflated because of bank holidays … case numbers are usually quite accurate daily 

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4 minutes ago, august1 said:

When did the over 40's get their first jab? Heard they will be bringing forward those second ones forward from 8 weeks to 4  where possible. Which is probably pretty much now?

First was 07/05 and the second one is 23/07

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So they're working on that if this variant has a 40-50% transmission advantage, modelling of the roadmap in England show that progressing with both steps 3 and 4 at the earliest dates would lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks) and could lead to a much larger peak. If that's the official advice what other options do they take?

 

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Just now, El Matador said:

True that the majority (although not all) businesses are open. However being open and being profitable are not the same thing. 

Normally pubs would be absolutely rammed at this time of year - summer with a major football tournament on. Money made during this time would then keep them afloat during the quieter periods.

Instead capacity is severely limited and they have to pay extra staff to provide table service. 

Being open is not the same as being sustainable. 

Personally I think hospitality and similar sectors are in for a long road back regardless of whether they can open at full capacity.

The pandemic has changed peoples behaviours and will take a good 12 months, or longer, to revert back.

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Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Tue is only inflated because of bank holidays … case numbers are usually quite accurate daily 

Ah right ok, am I thinking of deaths? Its those that have a delay in registration on weekends isnt it? 

Either way the 6k is optimistic? its not gone as high as 3rd June. 

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1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

 

Personally I think hospitality and similar sectors are in for a long road back regardless of whether they can open at full capacity.

The pandemic has changed peoples behaviours and will take a good 12 months, or longer, to revert back.

It was Johnson that said 'Fuck business' wasn't it?

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Just now, Havors said:

Ah right ok, am I thinking of deaths? Its those that have a delay in registration on weekends isnt it? 

Either way the 6k is optimistic? its not gone as high as 3rd June. 

I thought there was some kind of plateaux a few days back too … 

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4 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

What are the skybet odds?

 

“A relaxation” to me doesn’t necessarily mean that the full on freedom day will go ahead.

 

I think you could well be looking at the rule of 6 being relaxed (if not removed entirely) but still WFH, 1m*l rule, face nappies and limits on big gatherings 

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3 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

What are the skybet odds?

 

A middle ground "relaxation" instead of "removal" is a lot better than a delay just because the uneducated public can't handle the nuance of some rules relaxing vs all, as one of the press briefing articles suggested 

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1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

I thought there was some kind of plateaux a few days back too … 

This is the past week up until Sunday. If you add Mon Tuesday to that it does appear to have plateaued. I bloody hope! ha

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