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1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

Ironic that people are happy to throw barbs at 'science' and #scientists' when it's literally science that got us the fucking vaccine.

Here is a novel idea, how about people shut the fuck up for once and listen to the science/experts. That goes for a lot more than just the pandemic as well.

People are arguing against Fake Sage as they are now purely a political group acting under the guise of scientific data, just to throw shade at government, without actually weighing up other competing factors such as small business owner livelihoods. They are purely shouting ZERO COVID without considering the wider implications for society. There's plenty to blame the government for during this pandemic (a bloody damn long list), but there is plenty they have done right as well. At least there has been a general willingness to follow the guidance from Real Sage since they locked down for the third time. 

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1 minute ago, Havors said:

....which experts do we listen to? A lot of them have different opinions 😄  

Listen to them all...but if any of them say something we don't like don't just write them off as evil nerd boffin scum who should be ignored and belittled forever amen.

Except Carl Heneghan of course, just ignore that evil nerd boffin twat.

 

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4 minutes ago, Havors said:

....which experts do we listen to? A lot of them have different opinions 😄  

Listen to the ones we already agree with, it seems. Not those Indie Sage pantomime villains. Boo!

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3 minutes ago, reflekting said:

People are arguing against Fake Sage as they are now purely a political group acting under the guise of scientific data, just to throw shade at government, without actually weighing up other competing factors such as small business owner livelihoods. They are purely shouting ZERO COVID without considering the wider implications for society. There's plenty to blame the government for during this pandemic (a bloody damn long list), but there is plenty they have done right as well. At least there has been a general willingness to follow the guidance from Real Sage since they locked down for the third time. 

This is their latest officla line..

https://www.independentsage.org/indie-sage-statement-on-the-uk-government-roadmap-for-ending-all-restrictions/

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1 hour ago, parsonjack said:

But what about the chance of you, although vaccinated, picking up the virus and then unwittingly passing it on to others not vaccinated?  Is taking yourself out of the game really the right thing to do?

I dont know that it is but i know out of our group of 6 mates:

1 doesnt have the app anf never has

2 had contact tracing off

3 had it on and have now all turned it off

so youre at as much risk from anyone that doesnt have the app or has turned tracing off as those who get pinged and ignore it as potentially they could all be in the same boat but certain people are not allowing themselves to ever be pinged

the recent call to isolate was based on being at a fully outdoor event with the person sitting with their back to the nearest table which wasnt even close. 2 people went, one got pinged and one didnt? They worked from home that day. Doesnt make sense and app cannot account for indoor vs outdoor. Its off, and its staying off.

Steps were retraced and essentially the conclusion drawn was that it was nigh on impossible to have caught it. 

Going to lateral flow test for next few days and as long as negative, my life will go on.

i thankfully never see vulnerable people, if i did my attiutde would be different.

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7 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Listen to the ones we already agree with, it seems. Not those Indie Sage pantomime villains. Boo!

Haha indeed. Everyone is a little guilty of this 🙂 

Ive always tried to listen to them all and try form my own opinion. Some of the indie sage stuff has worn me down now though 16 months on... the same as ive ignored a few crackpot "scientists" on twitter that have been saying covid was over for the past 12 months haha 

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34 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Ironic that people are happy to throw barbs at 'science' and #scientists' when it's literally science that got us the fucking vaccine.

Here is a novel idea, how about people shut the fuck up for once and listen to the science/experts. That goes for a lot more than just the pandemic as well.

A nonsensical statement given the difference of opinions among ‘experts’ on almost any subject 

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32 minutes ago, Havors said:

....which experts do we listen to? A lot of them have different opinions 😄  

Use critical thinking skills, evaluate and make an informed decision. Don't base your decisions around 'BUT THE 21st OF JUNE!'

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1 minute ago, MEGABOWL said:

A nonsensical statement given the difference of opinions among ‘experts’ on almost any subject 

Ahhhhh 'almost any subject'. Like climate change for instance? Where a very split 93% of them are in agreement....

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31 minutes ago, reflekting said:

People are arguing against Fake Sage as they are now purely a political group acting under the guise of scientific data, just to throw shade at government, without actually weighing up other competing factors such as small business owner livelihoods. They are purely shouting ZERO COVID without considering the wider implications for society. There's plenty to blame the government for during this pandemic (a bloody damn long list), but there is plenty they have done right as well. At least there has been a general willingness to follow the guidance from Real Sage since they locked down for the third time. 

This absolutely hits the nail on the head. They behave like an opposition party, not a Scientific group. They can call for whatever they want no

matter how unrealistic or impractical and if the Government doesn’t/can’t  do it they have something to criticise.

Which is stupid as there’s plenty to criticise the Government for without making every single thing a point of failure. That’s when people stop listening.

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2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Ahhhhh 'almost any subject'. Like climate change for instance? Where a very split 93% of them are in agreement....

So there’s different opinions even on a subject like that, is what we’ve established there?

 

So ‘duh but listen to de experts’ doesn’t work?

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22 minutes ago, Havors said:

Haha indeed. Everyone is a little guilty of this 🙂 

Ive always tried to listen to them all and try form my own opinion. Some of the indie sage stuff has worn me down now though 16 months on... the same as ive ignored a few crackpot "scientists" on twitter that have been saying covid was over for the past 12 months haha 

I had to have a similar cull last year but still get friends Retweeting Ivor Cummins and co. Trying to get rid of him and Pagel was like whack a mile until I just set up another Account that doesn’t follow any news/Covid feeds at all. I mean, it’s all still endless arguments about Games, football, music, comedy etc because it’s Twitter but at least not about Covid or Politics

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2 minutes ago, Hutchmaster said:

Got my jab booked at Wimbledon's ground on Friday. If it's not Vinnie Jones smashing the needle in my arm while giving me a death stare, I'll be severely disappointed.

You’re gonna be gutted when it’s Dave Beasant

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3 minutes ago, Hutchmaster said:

Got my jab booked at Wimbledon's ground on Friday. If it's not Vinnie Jones smashing the needle in my arm while giving me a death stare, I'll be severely disappointed.

I volunteered there the other day! Seemed pretty well run and smooth. I did have a sneaky look at the pitch.

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11 hours ago, danmarks said:

But isnt the whole argument at the moment.  People are still catching it - mostly younger cos of vaccines etc but they arent ending up in hospital. So out those 50 if 1 or none ends up in hospital then the numbers bit doesnt affect the nhs.

Apologies if that comes across as insensitive to anyone

I get you but my point was if I a little person sat at home knows for sure that more people have got ill than what they officially say then how many more times is this happening... I wouldn't know anything if it didn't happen to be my daughters friends.... 

I think the vaccine output is amazing and something that we in this country should be rightly proud.. I also think that stopping a cricketer from playing because of something he wrote years ago is madness 

Just thought I'd put that bit in lol 

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17 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

That's what I think - and the day gigs (and other events) are proven OK so in theory non camping should be allowed after 21st whatever happens in the day to day. If not it'll be a political decision not a health one, probably based on it "feeling" dangerous to older people because its crowds, as likely shown by their opinion polls 

I think the sad part is very few people actually care. I recommended a book the other day by two Sunday Times journalists, and stand by that recommendation, it's a very good book, but there was a bit where they were talking about last summer and it said something like "outside of Leicester, with the exception of mass sporting events, the country had fully re-opened". Music and Theatre just ignored entirely. I don't think it's malicious - indeed they do talk about the impact on the arts industry later in the book - but it's clear how little people outside of our bubble think about stuff like that.

I mean if the general public had to choose between festivals and gigs coming back, or foreign holidays coming back, they'd take the latter every time. Which is why I'm not optimistic we'll see festivals before foreign travel.

14 hours ago, JoeyT said:

Interest question - if everything was as it is now data wise and hypothetically Glastonbury was taking place this year & Boris went ahead with June 21st unlocking who would / wouldn’t be attending?

I’d certainly be there.

It's a tough one - probably not now, but that's in part due to my partner knowing one of the single-digit deaths in the past week (30s, single jab, no underlying health conditions) - we know he's a statistical anomaly but it's made us a fair bit more cautious, being the same age range.

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41 minutes ago, Hutchmaster said:

Got my jab booked at Wimbledon's ground on Friday. If it's not Vinnie Jones smashing the needle in my arm while giving me a death stare, I'll be severely disappointed.

He’s got history of grabbing some more ‘private’ parts of the body so fingers crossed that the jab will be in your arm.

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Thought experiment- who would take a 2 week circuit breaker? Either just Manchester or even everywhere. Obviously schools would have to stay open so might have limited effectiveness

All this "we don't know"...if we're badly wrong the entire summer and realistically rest of the year is gone. And if we're talking about "one final push" of a couple of weeks, surely that's the only way things will actually move in the direction we want 

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