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2 hours ago, Lycra said:

Take what you read with a massive pinch of salt.

Mrs Lycra's unit is now full of covid-19 positive patients with the vast majority having underlaying conditions which in the norm would be medium to long term survivable, ie  months or years not days. Her personal experience is exactly in line with what experts have been saying. The death rate of patients is also much much greater, not just 100% or 200% greater than the norm.

 

I'll take what you are saying with a massive pinch of salt also....  I suggest not throwing around arbitrary numbers of death rates.  

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36 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Yes I saw that, and the Bergamo mayor says real death figures there are multiples of the declared figures.

erm, is there a town called Bergamo in the UK? I was talking about the UK.

 

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12 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

We need to see how the death figures pan out over the next few days, today was the first time they’re counting deaths at home and in care homes towards the figures. To go 260, 200, 180, 367 reflects some inconsistencies over the past few days.

367 is England, it's 393 for UK.

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14 minutes ago, Havors said:

I'll take what you are saying with a massive pinch of salt also....  I suggest not throwing around arbitrary numbers of death rates.  

That's why I purposefully haven't given any death rates, it would be unprofessional. Everything stated here is based on the personal experience of Mrs Lycra who is right on the frontline in this. For instance, the type of patient her unit is designated to receive will have a big influence on survival/death rates. 

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46 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

they also announced yesterday that there's a lag of up-to 3 weeks between a death and that death making the announced numbers. :o 

Surely most deaths will make the figures in the day or two after their death? If someone is being treated for covid-19 and they subsequently die, they will be easily accounted for I'd imagine.

I can't think of any reason there would be a lag in reporting, except for a few edge cases where a further autopsy is required, etc.

I'd like to hope the 'up-to-3 weeks' is for anomalies only.

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2 minutes ago, Lycra said:

That's why I purposefully haven't given any death rates, it would be unprofessional. Everything stated here is based on the personal experience of Mrs Lycra who is right on the frontline in this.

So are you saying the officially published figures are false then?

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2 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

So are you saying the officially published figures are false then?

I have never ever said the figures published are false. All I stated the death rate amongst patients admitted to Mrs Lycra's unit was far greater than the the norm. 

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7 minutes ago, northernringo said:

Surely most deaths will make the figures in the day or two after their death? If someone is being treated for covid-19 and they subsequently die, they will be easily accounted for I'd imagine.

I can't think of any reason there would be a lag in reporting, except for a few edge cases where a further autopsy is required, etc.

I'd like to hope the 'up-to-3 weeks' is for anomalies only.

I simply repeated what was said yesterday.

Like you I'd guess most make the numbers within a few days. I'd also guess that the ones taking up to three weeks are where someone has died before they're tested - where there wouldn't be priority in the testing for getting those results back.

 

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Just now, Lycra said:

I have never ever said the figures published are false. All I stated the death rate amongst patients admitted to Mrs Lycra's unit was far greater than the the norm. 

As sad as it is that would be my expectation. Government advice had consistently been if you think you’ve got it stay at home and self isolate, don’t even call 111. My assumption would be that only people who absolutely need hospital treatment or who have serious underlying conditions are actually going to hospital. Nobody should be going there if it’s mild. 

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2 hours ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

What do you mean by your last sentence?

The last sentence is based on personal experience of Mrs Lycra. The death rate amongst patients she sees has increased very significantly.

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Just now, Lycra said:

The last sentence is based on personal experience of Mrs Lycra. The death rate amongst patients she sees has increased very significantly.

Further to my last post, unfortunately I don’t think that’s anything unexpected. Anything that requires hospitalisation is generally quite serious.

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35 minutes ago, Lycra said:

That's why I purposefully haven't given any death rates, it would be unprofessional. Everything stated here is based on the personal experience of Mrs Lycra who is right on the frontline in this. For instance, the type of patient her unit is designated to receive will have a big influence on survival/death rates. 

Exactly.... its all relative and not the big picture. 

 

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16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think they're keeping how really fuckin grim it is away from the public.

Absolutely right - because the general public cannot and possibly will not, comprehend/understand it. Hence the deflection tactics currently being employed in the press to divert approbrium onto the police (deserved in one or two cases, fully fabricated in many others). Next month it'll be someone else when the civil unrest starts in the usual areas..

Wife now back redeployed within NHS from today, being issued two uniforms, one to wash on return home each day. Slowly ramping up in our trust area....not at full capacity yet but expecting it soon. Suitable PPE at a premium, staffing at rock bottom, caseload normally run by 20 now being done on a slow drawdown of service by  a team of five with the expectation that they cannot expect to get everything right. Be interesting to see what blame is apportioned at a later stage when mistakes are inevitably made.

 

And all this is nothing compared to the financial juggernaut that is going to dwarf all this when the public have forgotten the response to this, but will be being forced to pay with massive tax rises, and increased austerity in the decade to come. 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Absolutely right - because the general public cannot and possibly will not, comprehend/understand it. Hence the deflection tactics currently being employed in the press to divert approbrium onto the police (deserved in one or two cases, fully fabricated in many others). Next month it'll be someone else when the civil unrest starts in the usual areas..

Wife now back redeployed within NHS from today, being issued two uniforms, one to wash on return home each day. Slowly ramping up in our trust area....not at full capacity yet but expecting it soon. Suitable PPE at a premium, staffing at rock bottom, caseload normally run by 20 now being done on a slow drawdown of service by  a team of five with the expectation that they cannot expect to get everything right. Be interesting to see what blame is apportioned at a later stage when mistakes are inevitably made.

 

And all this is nothing compared to the financial juggernaut that is going to dwarf all this when the public have forgotten the response to this, but will be being forced to pay with massive tax rises, and increased austerity in the decade to come. 

 

 

yeah, the fallout from this is going to be massive

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I have nearly been back in work for a week now after taking the last of my annual leave for the year last week. Came back in to an absolute whirlwind of a situation in comparison to what it was like beforehand. I’ve never felt so deflated and frustrated when coming home from work. People blatantly not being bothered about the whole situation and making 6/7 trips a day to the shop as an excuse to leave the house. We’ve been told we can’t refuse anybody sale. Even with that in mind I’ve started threatening people with refusing to serve them if they continue to use the shop as an excuse to leave the house. It’s so hard, we’ve forced the other half’s Mum & Dad to move in with her Uncle for the foreseeable future just so we can carry on working and there are people who are just not bothered about the whole situation. 😢

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3 minutes ago, lukethekid said:

I have nearly been back in work for a week now after taking the last of my annual leave for the year last week. Came back in to an absolute whirlwind of a situation in comparison to what it was like beforehand. I’ve never felt so deflated and frustrated when coming home from work. People blatantly not being bothered about the whole situation and making 6/7 trips a day to the shop as an excuse to leave the house. We’ve been told we can’t refuse anybody sale. Even with that in mind I’ve started threatening people with refusing to serve them if they continue to use the shop as an excuse to leave the house. It’s so hard, we’ve forced the other half’s Mum & Dad to move in with her Uncle for the foreseeable future just so we can carry on working and there are people who are just not bothered about the whole situation. 😢

sorry to hear that ... im hoping the panic buying has how calmed down and that there are now restrictions as to the numbers entering ... reports I get back are that things have much improved but yes the usual suspects seem to continue to have a blatant disregard but they will be in the minority .... its tough and I know how obnoxious customers can be and the shit my colleagues have faced too ... as for refusing sale I guess as frustrating as it is , you have to accept company policy ( but what you dont need to accept is any kind of abuse ) and your company should be backing you on that especially now 

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1 hour ago, lukethekid said:

I have nearly been back in work for a week now after taking the last of my annual leave for the year last week. Came back in to an absolute whirlwind of a situation in comparison to what it was like beforehand. I’ve never felt so deflated and frustrated when coming home from work. People blatantly not being bothered about the whole situation and making 6/7 trips a day to the shop as an excuse to leave the house. We’ve been told we can’t refuse anybody sale. Even with that in mind I’ve started threatening people with refusing to serve them if they continue to use the shop as an excuse to leave the house. It’s so hard, we’ve forced the other half’s Mum & Dad to move in with her Uncle for the foreseeable future just so we can carry on working and there are people who are just not bothered about the whole situation. 😢

Where do you work?

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