RobertProsineckisLighter Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pinhead said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/28/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today Observe case rates by age group. Oddly, 40-59 going up sharply - should have had 2 jabs by now? I suppose problem is that vaccines have a %age margin of efficacy, therefore even a few % can be measured in 1000's. Vaccine doesn't stop you testing positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Seems like it’s a very common occurrence for sport stars to have false positive tests - only for them to be re-tested and then proved to actually be negative. I can only imagine how common this will be within the general population, especially when we’re doing 1m+ tests a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said: Vaccine doesn't stop you testing positive. Well obviously not all the time, but generally it will stop you getting it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Good point. If the hospitalisations were just under the "ok" line from an absolute point of view, but cases had trebled in the previous two weeks, then they wouldn't unlock. Conversely, if the hospitalisations were relatively high, but dropping and cases also dropping, then we'd probably be good to go. I can see why they don't publish threshold numbers, I wouldn't. I’m not sure, remember last year when they went on and on about how important R was for our unlocking. Then we pressed ahead, R went up and they started saying it wasn’t all about R. If they want to do something they’ll ignore their 4 tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 There is going to be some interesting geography papers that come out about Covid - there simply has to be something that explains why some areas are harder hit than others - if you can understand it you can model it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Havors said: Not sure how... when the reason for not allowing festivals is because of social contact? 😄 Everything is based on the premise of social contact restrictions? IMO abolishing all limits on social contact means the government can’t legally stop you meeting 30/50/200 mates at a house party etc. Doesn’t mean that massive gigs will be allowed without distancing/face coverings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Chapple12345 said: Staycation is supposed to be you doing holiday style activities whilst staying at your own home, I fail to see how staying somewhere else whilst within the UK isn't a holiday Not exactly. A staycation can be a self catering holiday in which you stay in that area and don't travel to and from here, there and everywhere. So you go to a an area of Cornwall or Devon and you stay in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: IMO abolishing all limits on social contact means the government can’t legally stop you meeting 30/50/200 mates at a house party etc. Doesn’t mean that massive gigs will be allowed without distancing/face coverings. That means there would still be legal restrictions on social contact though. I think they will move the goal posts and change the plan on June 21st and lift "some" legal restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: The roadmap only specifies “legal restrictions on social contact”... that just about leaves enough wiggle room to exclude large events imo Why do you keep saying this? The roadmap clearly states “larger events” for step 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipsteak Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, thewayiam said: Not exactly. A staycation can be a self catering holiday in which you stay in that area and don't travel to and from here, there and everywhere. So you go to a an area of Cornwall or Devon and you stay in that area. That's a holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Havors said: That means there would still be legal restrictions on social contact though. I think they will move the goal posts and change the plan on June 21st and lift "some" legal restrictions. It is an interesting one what they are going to do. I think it's looking very hard to announce though in 2.5 weeks that life will be back to normal again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Havors said: That means there would still be legal restrictions on social contact though. I think they will move the goal posts and change the plan on June 21st and lift "some" legal restrictions. The social distancing rules are enacted under the Health Protection Coronavirus Regs 2021 as part of the roadmap and voted through Parliament. The ban on mass gatherings is implemented under the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984 ordered by the Health Secretary by SI at the beginning of the pandemic last year and is not voted on, just reviewed by the Health Sec to ensure it is still needed. They can repeal the HP Regs but keep the PH(CDA) ban in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, philipsteak said: That's a holiday I didn't say it wasn't. I'm saying it as what was 'termed' in the road map plan. As for these festivals this summer. Some are really pushing it closer to the border in July without knowing for sure if it's a goer. Those numbers today can't relieve that notion either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, thewayiam said: It is an interesting one what they are going to do. I think it's looking very hard to announce though in 2.5 weeks that life will be back to normal again. Yeah I dont think they will. But this is the Tories... and they may say restrictions are now guidance but not legal, fend for yourselves haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, thewayiam said: It is an interesting one what they are going to do. I think it's looking very hard to announce though in 2.5 weeks that life will be back to normal again. Why because there are 4.5k cases in the entire country, as per bank holiday backlog, compare to 3.5k? This is ridiculous now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Havors said: Yeah I dont think they will. But this is the Tories... and they may say restrictions are now guidance but not legal, fend for yourselves haha I'll take that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Copperface said: The social distancing rules are enacted under the Health Protection Coronavirus Regs 2021 as part of the roadmap and voted through Parliament. The ban on mass gatherings is implemented under the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984 ordered by the Health Secretary by SI at the beginning of the pandemic last year and is not voted on, just reviewed by the Health Sec to ensure it is still needed. They can repeal the HP Regs but keep the PH(CDA) ban in place. Or indeed the other way round if they mandate testing..otherwise our beloved live events industry is gone - if it doesn't really happen this summer it will be severely depleted next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Copperface said: The social distancing rules are enacted under the Health Protection Coronavirus Regs 2021 as part of the roadmap and voted through Parliament. The ban on mass gatherings is implemented under the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984 ordered by the Health Secretary by SI at the beginning of the pandemic last year and is not voted on, just reviewed by the Health Sec to ensure it is still needed. They can repeal the HP Regs but keep the PH(CDA) ban in place. Well that is very interesting!! I think we are very much waiting for the results of the pilot events then? If they pass with flying colours then they lose the grounds for which it was enacted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Pinhead said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/28/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today Observe case rates by age group. Oddly, 40-59 going up sharply - should have had 2 jabs by now? I suppose problem is that vaccines have a %age margin of efficacy, therefore even a few % can be measured in 1000's. Loads of people in their 40s have only had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, stuartbert two hats said: Loads of people in their 40s have only had one. Im one of those. My 2nd is not until very early August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Havors said: Well that is very interesting!! I think we are very much waiting for the results of the pilot events then? If they pass with flying colours then they lose the grounds for which it was enacted? Not really. It's wider than that. Doesn't have to be an emergency either. It specifies that "regulations may be introduced to manage an infection which presents or could present “significant harm to human health.” " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: Why because there are 4.5k cases in the entire country, as per bank holiday backlog, compare to 3.5k? This is ridiculous now No, because of the growth rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: Or indeed the other way round if they mandate testing..otherwise our beloved live events industry is gone - if it doesn't really happen this summer it will be severely depleted next summer They have the wriggle room. They have not said they will remove restrictions on large events despite saying they'll remove legal limits on social contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Copperface said: They have the wriggle room. They have not said they will remove restrictions on large events despite saying they'll remove legal limits on social contact. To be fair they haven't said they're going to do anything. Excerpt below, italics mine: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-response-spring-2021/covid-19-response-spring-2021-summary Step 4 - not before 21 June Social contact By Step 4 which will take place no earlier than 21 June, the government hopes to be in a position to remove all legal limits on social contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, Havors said: Im one of those. My 2nd is not until very early August. I’m 40 and my second is tomorrow. I think you’d be able to cancel and rebook it earlier now, if you wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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