When will this shit end?

[crazyfool1]

JJ one dose should bring the finishing date forward by 12 weeks shouldn’t it ? Presuming we have enough doses and depending on when we start ? 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Not sure whether to bother with this or not. Got my 2nd one in a few weeks anyway.

Made mind up and cancelled and rebooked for next Tuesday, which also happens to be my birthday

[Simsy]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

Very widespread. You'd be surprised  the amount of people I've had to tell about the national booking system 

The adverts saying you'll receive a text for yours probably don't help with this...

Exactly. Some people on here seem to think if you're eligible but haven't been jabbed you must be an anti vaxxer, but I'd imagine there are loads of people who are just patiently waiting to be told it's their turn. Not everyone is following covid news as much as we are in here.

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Exactly. Some people on here seem to think if you're eligible but haven't been jabbed you must be an anti vaxxer, but I'd imagine there are loads of people who are just patiently waiting to be told it's their turn. Not everyone is following covid news as much as we are in here.

How many people haven't been contacted directly since becoming eligible? Although I booked before I was texted, I did get invited by text and by letter within a week of becoming eligible.

Is it common to have had no invitation?

[Hannibal Schmitt]

It`s been a bumpy road and probably there will be some more potholes but the finish line comes nearer now. Incidence now around 60 here still going downhill (maybe stoping or slowing down next week because of the opening), Germany now around 80 with a similar trend.

But probably it will be essential to reach the line before the Indian variant reaches our shores supposed its something thats more concerning than other variants. But not many experts here see this as a problem and news of this variant has not been more than a footnote until now (5 cases I think have been associated with the Indian variant here until now, but as they all could be controlled as its a rather low number).

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Not sure whether to bother with this or not. Got my 2nd one in a few weeks anyway.

My second is on June 5th, but I got it early through volunteering so I'm probably not going to bother to reschedule. Other people need their second dose earlier than me I reckon!

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

My second is on June 5th, but I got it early through volunteering so I'm probably not going to bother to reschedule. Other people need their second dose earlier than me I reckon!

Old gits like @steviewevie for example.

[stuartbert two hats]

A bit of detail behind the Bolton numbers that might explain why second doses are being brought forward and why the numbers could still get high. There are currently 18 people in hospital in Bolton with COVID.

"Of the 18, [Hancock] said five patients have had one dose of the vaccine, while one person had received both jabs."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/18-people-hospital-bolton-coronavirus-20608067

So, at the moment, whilst first doses cut hospitalisation in more than a third, it's getting to that second dose that really brings the numbers down. And given enough infection, the hospitalisations can still get high. It's also worth noting that most of the Bolton rise in infection is yet to filter through to hospitalisation, since most of the active cases are brand new.

The information that's missing is how long is it since those patients received their first doses and which one? Given that we know immunity increases over time, it may be that administering the second dose doesn't help all that much, it's just time that is needed.

Not sure where I saw it (maybe on here), but most of Bolton itself also has low rates, it's localised in a few areas of the town.  If I was in charge, I'd be tempted to go knocking on doors offering immediate vaccines to any adults, sending cars with loudspeakers down the streets - doing anything we can to break the chain of infection. Stomp down hard and fast on the source of the outbreak.

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

A bit of detail behind the Bolton numbers that might explain why second doses are being brought forward and why the numbers could still get high. There are currently 18 people in hospital in Bolton with COVID.

"Of the 18, [Hancock] said five patients have had one dose of the vaccine, while one person had received both jabs."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/18-people-hospital-bolton-coronavirus-20608067

So, at the moment, whilst first doses cut hospitalisation in more than a third, it's getting to that second dose that really brings the numbers down. And given enough infection, the hospitalisations can still get high. It's also worth noting that most of the Bolton rise in infection is yet to filter through to hospitalisation, since most of the active cases are brand new.

The information that's missing is how long is it since those patients received their first doses and which one? Given that we know immunity increases over time, it may be that administering the second dose doesn't help all that much, it's just time that is needed.

Not sure where I saw it (maybe on here), but most of Bolton itself also has low rates, it's localised in a few areas of the town.  If I was in charge, I'd be tempted to go knocking on doors offering immediate vaccines to any adults, sending cars with loudspeakers down the streets - doing anything we can to break the chain of infection. Stomp down hard and fast on the source of the outbreak.

Ugh that's a bit worrying about the jabbed people being in hospital. As you say must be down to timing, but would be great to know how long it had been for all of them.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Old gits like @steviewevie for example.

Hey!

[steviewevie]

My missus who got hit pretty hard by side effects from her first AZ vaccine appears to be totally fine after her 2nd one yesterday.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

4 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Ugh that's a bit worrying about the jabbed people being in hospital. As you say must be down to timing, but would be great to know how long it had been for all of them.

It's also worth understanding if they were admitted because of Covid or if they were admitted to hospital due to something else.

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

My second is on June 5th, but I got it early through volunteering so I'm probably not going to bother to reschedule. Other people need their second dose earlier than me I reckon!

A 12 week gap is actually probably better than an 8 week gap for overall immunity...right? I think mine would be just short of 10 weeks.

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Ugh that's a bit worrying about the jabbed people being in hospital. As you say must be down to timing, but would be great to know how long it had been for all of them.

Only one with two doses though - we'll get there.

[zahidf]

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

12 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

It's also worth understanding if they were admitted because of Covid or if they were admitted to hospital due to something else.

True. If they have covid asymptomatically not such a concern obviously.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Zoo Music Girl

[Zoo Music Girl]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

A 12 week gap is actually probably better than an 8 week gap for overall immunity...right? I think mine would be just short of 10 weeks.

I think so? To be honest I just can't be arsed changing it really.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

I think so? To be honest I just can't be arsed changing it really.

I've never seen an infection graph where there's a noticeable change of direction when the second dose is given.

[Zoo Music Girl]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

A 12 week gap is actually probably better than an 8 week gap for overall immunity...right? I think mine would be just short of 10 weeks.

Oh yeah we got ours done the same day didn't we? 

[Leyrulion]

29 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

If I was in charge, I'd be tempted to go knocking on doors offering immediate vaccines to any adults, sending cars with loudspeakers down the streets - doing anything we can to break the chain of infection. Stomp down hard and fast on the source of the outbreak

I think this is happening, St John Ambulance have put calls out for extra vaccination volunteer shifts to staff their mobile vehicles being deployed to Bolton. 

[Leyrulion]

2 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

JJ one dose should bring the finishing date forward by 12 weeks shouldn’t it ? Presuming we have enough doses and depending on when we start ? 

I wonder if JJ will be effective in reaching some of the harder to reach groups. Some of the vaccine hesitant groups might be persuaded by just the one dose.

 

Also helpful for people they're worried might not attend 2nd doses, homeless, travellers etc etc. You can just turn up, vaccinate everyone and there's no admin of 2nd doses to organise.

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

I wonder if JJ will be effective in reaching some of the harder to reach groups. Some of the vaccine hesitant groups might be persuaded by just the one dose.

 

Also helpful for people they're worried might not attend 2nd doses, homeless, travellers etc etc. You can just turn up, vaccinate everyone and there's no admin of 2nd doses to organise.

I think its an acceleration to "fully vaccinated" for the passports 

[incident]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Is J&J going to be used for us youngsters? (I’m counting 35 as a youngster 😉)

It really shouldn't be.

According to the numbers coming out of the US and EU, it appears to have approximately the same (minimal) Blood Clot risk as the AZ vaccine does.

So if we consider the AZ vaccine undesirable for <40 for that reason, then J+J should be as well.

[DirtyLurker]

There was me thinking yay This Shit Is Almost Over, back at work after 14 months off, unpaid.  Seriously hoping this new variant shit is a blip & we collectively get back on top of it.

On the 2nd dose, mine is booked for 4th June and I've decided not to try & pull it forward because I'm fully booked up with work for the next few weeks so can't really take time out if if knocks me as the 1st dose did.  Hoping partner is contacted soon for their 2nd does (GP led rather than national booking service) they're at around the 8 week mark currently, they've got a comprised immune system so I'm all for making sure they are as fully protected as possible.

[shoptildrop]

2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

How many people haven't been contacted directly since becoming eligible? Although I booked before I was texted, I did get invited by text and by letter within a week of becoming eligible.

Is it common to have had no invitation?

my fella is 48 and he never got an invite from the GP, I organised jab for him at local hub as soon as he was eligible which is like 4-5 weeks ago

Me on the other hand had multiple texts about jab invite - we both use the same GP and live in same house so it's not always a given getting an invite