When will this shit end?

[Havors]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

Mate - I don't if I don't die. I don't want to get COVID. It's horrible. I've seen what it does to people who come out the other end. Don't want to do that. It's not worth it to go to the pub 3 weeks earlier to me. "You won't die" is not the slam dunk argument you think it.

I'm sort of hoping it kills you at this point though you condescendinging prick.

He was being a bit condescending there haha! He kind of has a point though, under 40s are at next to no risk of serious illness or death from Covid even without a vaccine in circulation. With it in circulation I imagine the risk is hard to even calculate. 

If you are so terrified of it then stay home, let everyone else go the pub? You dont have to go the pub 🙂 

[MEGABOWL]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Dominic Cummings now comes out in favour of delaying stage 3 😞 

Which means it definitely won’t be delayed

[zahidf]

 

[stuie]

8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Dominic Cummings now comes out in favour of delaying stage 3 😞 

But he will still do whatever he fucking wants anyway. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

Mate - I don't if I don't die. I don't want to get COVID. It's horrible. I've seen what it does to people who come out the other end. Don't want to do that. It's not worth it to go to the pub 3 weeks earlier to me. "You won't die" is not the slam dunk argument you think it.

I'm sort of hoping it kills you at this point though you condescendinging prick.

Jesus. What a terrible post.

 

First paragraph - I’m not denying that some people get sick or get long covid but still a bit of a generalisation. A good number of people get no symptoms at all in the younger age brackets. Of those who do get symptoms, it’s usually a few days in bed with a cup of tea type job (is avoiding THAT really worth shutting down your life over?)

 

Only a tiny percentage of < 40’s who test positive enough are genuinely sick enough to make it an unpleasant experience and the chances of being hospitalised are completely minuscule.

 

Second paragraph - Did you REALLY just say that? 

[MEGABOWL]

10 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

Mate - I don't if I don't die. I don't want to get COVID. It's horrible. I've seen what it does to people who come out the other end. Don't want to do that. It's not worth it to go to the pub 3 weeks earlier to me. "You won't die" is not the slam dunk argument you think it.

I'm sort of hoping it kills you at this point though you condescendinging prick.

Let’s hope this is the nadir/peak for this thread

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Dominic Cummings now comes out in favour of delaying stage 3 😞 

Link 

[DeanoL]

23 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

So late August 2021 ? 

I'd say mid-July.

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Nice...  I didn't see you winning twat of the day award but that was a sterling effort and a prize well won...

In reality though you either won't notice you have it at all or you might have to have a day or two off work...  That is in fact the reality.  Chances of going to hospital or death at your age is very very low.  

But lets not let the facts get in the way...

My patience with certain people is at an end. And that's saying something given I'm one three people that doesn't have you on ignore!

And yeah - mathematically you may be right, but having seen people my age get it and suffer with it, it's not a risk I'm willing to take. For myself, that's an easy choice - but then morally I don't think it's okay for me to expect other people to then have to take that risk - it doesn't feel right for me, from that work-from-home position of privilege, that can avoid any risk until I'm vaxxed, to support other people being forced back to work and subjected to risk. 

If there were some legal protections in place for people not comfortable with taking those risks I'd probably feel differently. 

[zahidf]

Just now, MEGABOWL said:

Let’s hope this is the nadir/peak for this thread

Yup. Seems to have gone a bit far with that. 

[st dan]

Just now, zahidf said:

 

Seems like a no brainer - why use a vaccine on a healthy 38 year old in Cornwall where there is next to zero level of Covid in circulation, rather than on a 20 year old in Bolton, who runs the risk of passing Covid on to his unvaccinated grandma, who then runs the risk of hospitalisation/death?

I know vaccines don’t provide 100% protection from transmission, but we do know it’s much better than nothing at all. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Link 

 

[fraybentos1]

It's funny how the morals of this thread work. If one of the regulars is insulted there is a pile on whereas @DeanoLhas just said he hopes someone dies of covid cause they upset him a bit and not a peep out of the usual suspects who would be weeping if something was said about them. Shocking comment and you seriously need to get a grip @DeanoLyou moron.

[MEGABOWL]

Just now, zahidf said:

Yup. Seems to have gone a bit far with that. 

Just thought I’d check in having not been in here for a few days. Seems to be the thread/Covid Twitter tearing itself apart over something that in my socialising/work conversations last few days hasn’t been mentioned. Think I’ll get out of here again and carry on with getting back to normal.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Might set an alarm for midnight tonight so I get my reactions back so I can give @DeanoLa reddie for that abomination of a post 

[DeanoL]

6 minutes ago, Havors said:

If you are so terrified of it then stay home, let everyone else go the pub? You dont have to go the pub 🙂 

I will - the problem is people working in pubs - that then don't get that choice. Being able to choose to stay isolated until vaccinated is a choice for me, but for many it's not. 

But as someone making that choice, and who broadly believes in equality and all that, I really struggle with anything that takes that choice away from other people. I feel like I'd be a hypocrite if I said I supported re-opening everything but wasn't going to take the risk myself.

[JoeyT]

1 minute ago, MEGABOWL said:

Just thought I’d check in having not been in here for a few days. Seems to be the thread/Covid Twitter tearing itself apart over something that in my socialising/work conversations last few days hasn’t been mentioned. Think I’ll get out of here again and carry on with getting back to normal.

Wishing death on another is a step to far for me.

I'm taking a break from here.

Hope that comment gets the contempt it deserves.

Adios.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I will - the problem is people working in pubs - that then don't get that choice. Being able to choose to stay isolated until vaccinated is a choice for me, but for many it's not. 

But as someone making that choice, and who broadly believes in equality and all that, I really struggle with anything that takes that choice away from other people. I feel like I'd be a hypocrite if I said I supported re-opening everything but wasn't going to take the risk myself.

That’s fair. Would be interesting to see a survey of people working in pubs though. You can stay home on 80% furlough and reduce your risk or you can open up, get an extra 20% pay and also have the benefit of being able to go to the pub.

 

The thing you’re missing is that the “risk” we are talking about is a very bog standard minor cold to people in this age group. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

It's funny how the morals of this thread work. If one of the regulars is insulted there is a pile on whereas @DeanoLhas just said he hopes someone dies of covid cause they upset him a bit and not a peep out of the usual suspects who would be weeping if something was said about them. Shocking comment and you seriously need to get a grip @DeanoLyou moron.

There’s very much a difference to me from @DeanoL and his very well thought through and non antagonistic posts … I think if someone becomes passionate it’s fair to give them a chance for explanation … that said I don’t agree with the part of his post that you complain about …. And using words like usual suspects is not helpful either … 

[DeanoL]

4 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It's funny how the morals of this thread work. If one of the regulars is insulted there is a pile on whereas @DeanoLhas just said he hopes someone dies of covid cause they upset him a bit and not a peep out of the usual suspects who would be weeping if something was said about them. Shocking comment and you seriously need to get a grip @DeanoLyou moron.

I mean, there's been a bit of a pile-on. Which is fair - it was a harsh comment but he was being a prick.

Interesting though, isn't it, that plenty of people are happy to say "there will be a few more deaths, but we should accept them, so that we can open back up" but if I suggest one of those deaths should be a specific person on this thread, suddenly that's out of order. Death's easy to accept when it's abstract.

 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I mean, there's been a bit of a pile-on. Which is fair - it was a harsh comment but he was being a prick.

Interesting though, isn't it, that plenty of people are happy to say "there will be a few more deaths, but we should accept them, so that we can open back up" but if I suggest one of those deaths should be a specific person on this thread, suddenly that's out of order. Death's easy to accept when it's abstract.

 

Well every activity has a risk of death. Driving a car has a risk of death. Acknowledgement of the risks of allowing driving isn't the same as wishing someone (no matter how annoying) death in a car crash

 

Even though he can be annoying, I do think you went too far 

Edited May 13, 2021 by zahidf

[Havors]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

am I right that they can know about antibodies from vaccines from lab results...but not so easy to determine T-cell reponse in a lab, this is more a real world thing that takes time to collect actual data about.

Yes I believe you are right. Although the evidence ive seen so far suggests the T Cell memory works the same as it does for every other virus. 

Let's hope it stays that way though... 

[DeanoL]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

There’s very much a difference to me from @DeanoL and his very well thought through and non antagonistic posts … I think if someone becomes passionate it’s fair to give them a chance for explanation … that said I don’t agree with the part of his post that you complain about …. And using words like usual suspects is not helpful either … 

The explanation is he was being horrid to me so I decided to be horrid to him. On good days I'll try and confront stuff like that by smothering it with love or reason but today isn't a good day. There's no greater meaning to it, sorry! People can downvote away if they want!

[DeanoL]

Oh come on man you could have at least called them face nappies. I'm starting to feel you don't really love me!

[Havors]

13 minutes ago, st dan said:

Seems like a no brainer - why use a vaccine on a healthy 38 year old in Cornwall where there is next to zero level of Covid in circulation, rather than on a 20 year old in Bolton, who runs the risk of passing Covid on to his unvaccinated grandma, who then runs the risk of hospitalisation/death?

I know vaccines don’t provide 100% protection from transmission, but we do know it’s much better than nothing at all. 

The priority in that scenario is getting that bloody grandmother vaccinated before the 20 year old 😄

 

[ace56blaa]

Why have we still not evolved beyond the the discourse of "let's just let young people get it so that we can go to the pub" young people are overwhelming represented in hospitality and public facing jobs so have no choice whether they want to go out or not. - Also everytime this conversation comes up people forget about long covid, everyone i know who has had covid my age (25) are still struggling with shortness of breath and other symptoms, months and months after testing postive. 

This is not a disease you want to have.