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16 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

So let me get this straight: they made a big show yesterday of track and trace launching today and now they're saying it's not working properly and won't be fully functional until late June? Absolute joke.

Ben bradshaw is talking about the app rather than the manual track and trace 

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37 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Another question - since I believe the Oxford vaccine is using more traditional methods, is it going to be cheaper to produce than the more exotic DNA/RNA techniques?

It's a one shot vaccine so should be cheaper on principle. I think the oxford team have said no one will be priced out of it.

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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Ben bradshaw is talking about the app rather than the manual track and trace 

Ah right. Fair enough. But the other tweet about it not being ready at a local level? Or is that the app too?  Edit:ignore me, that's the same tweet 

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Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

Ah right. Fair enough. But the other tweet about it not being ready at a local level? Or is that the app too?

Other mps have said it relates to the app at a local level.

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1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

 

 

I kind of get it but the track and trace is not FOR the government, it is for the people childishly "protesting". The government don't actually care if people get infected and die. 

This attitude is the worst part of it - it's immature and stupid

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5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

One rule for them....

So that’s confirmed it. You’re allowed to take trips out with your family without fear of prosecution. Goodbye lockdown. 

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10 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

One rule for them....

If you apply it to Neil Ferguson it’s a farce. He’d had Covid already, so realistically there was zero risk to anyone of his bit on the side travelling to his and back, it was simply that it was a bad example to set for the public, and he didn’t even leave the house.

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8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Sick fucking joke. Between 27 Mar and 11 May, more than 14,000 fines were issued for breaches of lockdown rules. Over the Easter weekend over 1100 fines were issued. What was Dominic Cummings doing on Easter Sunday? Having already breached the lockdown rules, he was breaching them again - driving 30 miles to a fucking castle. Where's his fine? Where's his apology? Where's his resignation? Vile. I hope everybody remembers how the tory government has handled this incident come the next election. Blood on their hands.

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10 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I kind of get it but the track and trace is not FOR the government, it is for the people childishly "protesting". The government don't actually care if people get infected and die. 

This attitude is the worst part of it - it's immature and stupid

I feel really conflicted with everything that has happened and I agree just throwing your arms up in the air saying "I won't do it" doesn't help. I  can see me going the other way, losing all trust in government means I am more likely to do my own research and put in my own set of rules which are likely to be over cautious than what the government suggest to us.  Their handling of the case is changing the guidance to protect their own, why should we trust their advice for mine and others health?  My point is most people will try and do the right thing (as long as they understand it), but now I think we will have many different interpretations of that because the guidance is so piss poor and that will lead to issues too.  Its really hard to know what is best to do. 

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Ok cool. So Cummings broke the lockdown rules, as confirmed by the police. Boris can now sack the man and we can move on from this on to more important things.

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Just now, jparx said:

Ok cool. So Cummings broke the lockdown rules, as confirmed by the police. Boris can now sack the man and we can move on from this on to more important things.

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Ha ha ha ha ha

 

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If he doesn’t get fined for a clear breach of the rules then surely anyone who has been fined has a strong case of appeal for theirs?

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@stuartbert two hats @jparx @crazyfool1 Apologies for the delay! I was in a grants committee meeting...just about to have lunch, but I'll have a quick go at answering!

So, the oxford vaccine...it's basically an engineered adenovirus (another virus that causes the common cold, weakened for use in the vaccine). It has the spikes of this new coronavirus inserted into it, so should elicit an immune response to this virus. It's not an entirely "traditional" vaccine in that old school vaccines either use dead versions of the same virus, weakened (attenuated) versions of the same virus, or they use parts of the same virus (subunit vaccines) that you are trying to protect against. In that sense, it's a newer approach to vaccine development (one they have been working on building a platform for in order to make all sorts of vaccines). The data from the pre-clinical study suggested exactly as our dual-hatted friend has outlined...doesn't stop you from getting infected, but does stop you developing pneumonia and decreases the amount of virus in the lungs. So, on the surface, it looks useful and could protect against more serious disease. This is why the further trials are going ahead and if it stopped people from dying, it would have the added bonus of facilitating herd immunity without the risk of trying it naturally. A word of caution though...the pre-clinical study was small, extrapolating from that to how it will function in humans is not guaranteed. Also, pneumonia is only one reason people who develop COVID die. There are other fairly frequent causes of death (coagulation problems especially) and many many organs other than the lungs have receptors for this virus, so how it protects against these other possible complications is currently unknown (I need to read through the paper again to see if they addressed this). It's promising, but many a vaccine (or drug) has failed at phase 3. The good thing is that there are a bunch of other vaccines at advanced stages too (and some of those are more "traditional" vaccines), so if this one doesn't make it, there's a chance one of the others will (actually, more than one possibly will and people will end up getting different vaccines along the line to meet demand). 

 

The antibody test that is being offered for sale is the Abbott one that PHE are using. It was designed to work on blood drawn by a healthcare professional, so hasn't been validated for use as a finger prick test. It could still work, they just don't know how accurate it is yet if blood is collected in this manner. I believe that is what they are now validating (i.e., compare the results of tests with blood drawn in different ways to see if you get the same result). If there's no difference in accuracy, then I'd expect it to be available for sale again. 

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16 minutes ago, jyoung said:

Sick fucking joke. Between 27 Mar and 11 May, more than 14,000 fines were issued for breaches of lockdown rules. Over the Easter weekend over 1100 fines were issued. What was Dominic Cummings doing on Easter Sunday? Having already breached the lockdown rules, he was breaching them again - driving 30 miles to a fucking castle. Where's his fine? Where's his apology? Where's his resignation? Vile. I hope everybody remembers how the tory government has handled this incident come the next election. Blood on their hands.

Yeah this is grim as fuck. If they're aren't going to sack him he can at least be fined. Fuck sake.

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No need to apologise - replying to us isn't your day job!

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Anyone here a member of the Labour party? Never occurred to me before (I've even voted Lib Dem pre-coalition and in the Euros) but, if now isn't the time to do it, I'm not sure when is! 

(Disclaimer: have no interest in getting into an argument comparing relative merits of leaders.)

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1 hour ago, Neil said:

In Riverside Park, at the M32 junction 3 end.

Thanks!

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Haven't the government been saying all along that he didn't break the rules? So police are contradicting this even if not fining him?

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