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31 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

However, I don't accept your conclusions that it's all over, not quite yet.

Maybe not, but it’s certainly looking more and more likely. 
If one of the variants we’re told is a big worry and the vaccines are less effective against is barely causing so much as a cough in care home residents (granted a very small sample size) who are some of the most vulnerable members of society then it’s definitely time to be very optimistic.  
Particular as six of the 10 residents infected had only received one dose. 

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7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Ha! Just posted the same video in the Pub thread, but I didn't know where it was from, so uploaded the video uncredited.

Glasto should book them for the comedy tent...seen them at a few festivals here in Ireland and their live show is great (they don’t sing that much!)...

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Am off to Wembley tomorrow for the FA Cup semi final. Will be strange to be around so many people and also strange that Wembley will be so empty. Hopefully it will be the first of many gatherings. 

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17 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity

It’s also to see if there are any negative effects of the loosening of restrictions too. Hopefully we won’t see in the next few weeks a large rise in prevalence of the virus but we don’t know for sure. I don’t think we will it’s after the next step we might do with indoor mixing being allowed. 

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20 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity

Does anyone know if the india one can bypass some immunity or is it just theoretical fear it could?

Excuse my ignorance too, but I guess it’s unlikely any variant would see us all the way back to step 1, people would still be less likely to catch a variant if they’d had a vaccine and less likely to die or have serious illness too?

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6 minutes ago, JB15 said:

Does anyone know if the india one can bypass some immunity or is it just theoretical fear it could?

Excuse my ignorance too, but I guess it’s unlikely any variant would see us all the way back to step 1, people would still be less likely to catch a variant if they’d had a vaccine and less likely to die or have serious illness too?

More significantly than being less likely to catch the virus if vaccinated is being much less likely to pass it on.

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25 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity

If we keep restrictions because of the potential for variants that can bypass the vaccines then restrictions will need to be in place indefinitely. It's not a valid reason to maintain restrictions. 

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10 minutes ago, JB15 said:

Does anyone know if the india one can bypass some immunity or is it just theoretical fear it could?

Excuse my ignorance too, but I guess it’s unlikely any variant would see us all the way back to step 1, people would still be less likely to catch a variant if they’d had a vaccine and less likely to die or have serious illness too?

It is a "variant under investigation"

Some info here...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/india-covid-variant-found-uk-specimens-taken-february

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/what-are-the-new-covid-variants-and-what-do-they-mean-for-the-pandemic

 

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7 minutes ago, El Matador said:

If we keep restrictions because of the potential for variants that can bypass the vaccines then restrictions will need to be in place indefinitely. It's not a valid reason to maintain restrictions. 

That's a reasonable argument, I just take issue with articles that pretend they don't understand the reasoning for the caution. Personally, I think they'll be cautious over summer, have the booster shots in autumn/winter for the current variants that will hopefully negate the need for a winter lockdown and then after that they'll adopt the stance you have. 

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59 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity

There's caution and then there's maintaining  horrible restrictions on our freedom for no good reason. VAriAnTs aren't a good enough reason unless there is evidence of vaccine escape (at which there isnt any at the moment)

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48 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity

I'm not pretending that I believe that keeping prevalence down to protect the immunocompromised before we have vaccinated more of the population is a significant consideration.

As @El Matador says, if it really was mainly about variants, then it wouldn't be a valid reason to keep things going indefinitely - and indeed the UK's plan is to ease restrictions almost entirely in two months. Given that the population of the world is unlikely to be vaccinated this year, emergence of new variants is likely to be an issue well beyond easing of restrictions in this country. So it seems to me that variants aren't top of the list.

Are we at cross purposes on what you mean by "caution"?

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Despite the third corona wave, the German Vice Chancellor and Finance Minister Olaf Scholz is optimistic that people will be able to go on vacation in the summer. "I very much hope that vacation trips in the summer will also be possible," he told "Welt am Sonntag". That depends, among other things, on how the pandemic develops in Germany's neighboring countries.
"The picture is still too unclear to dare to make more precise forecasts - we are currently in the middle of the third wave. But I firmly expect to be able to sit in the beer garden in summer and watch the next Bundesliga season in the stadium," emphasized the SPD -Chief and candidate for chancellor.

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