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7 minutes ago, Henrik said:

I'm reading reports this morning that they have changed the rules...

as of this Wednesday, face coverings will be required outdoors and in all public places - including the beach - for anyone over the age of six. Exceptions will continue to be made for people with medical conditions or respiratory problems or for those exercising outdoors.

If you are sunbathing on the beach, you have to wear a mask.

Clowns

Parts of Europe are experiencing a massive increase in cases which is going to lead to a lot of death...so, places like Spain are taking extra precautions.

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Just now, squirrelarmy said:

I can see a lot of people being diagnosed with asthma or something similar before sunbathing. 

Yep. I can't imagine there is a single sane person on earth who is prepared to sunbathe on the beach while being forced to wear a mask

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7 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Basically the majority are saying we should ignore scientific process and just vaccine everyone anyway, and whatever happens happens. I bet if I said my girlfriend is worried about this, being young and female and highly unlikely at risk from covid, that you'd say she should just take it and hope for the best right? 

Yes it might take longer to get back to "normal", but considering the age groups affected, even an "ultra rare" event isn't tiny numbers in the younger population. Replacing one issue for that age group with another surely can't be the answer. 

I would say even if she's young and healthy she could still die from COVID, just like she could die from the vaccine. I'd say the difference would be if she'd already had COVID, in which case I can certainly see the argument for not taking it.

But then equally I don't think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine. We're not going to eliminate COVID - the vaccines do a good job at reducing transmission but not so much we can erradicate it  - so everyone is going to get immunity to it eventually, either by catching it or being vaccinated.

There's a supply shortage at the moment, so I especially don't think anyone should be pressured into taking it - your partner should *not* take it and hope for the best if she's worried. That leaves another jab for someone who does want it. 

This isn't like MMR or whatever where a few unvaccinated people can risk major problems for everyone. I honestly think your partner should take it, and I've explained why and why I think the odds are better on taking it, but I'm not going to go out of my way to convince her/you. I'd rather that jab go to someone who is younger and terrified of COVID and desperate to get the vaccine. 

"Wait and see" is definitely an option too for individuals, but only if you're still going to take precautions to not get COVID in the meantime (so staying in, even when things are opening up). I've said a few times I think that's a totally valid position: to not take a vaccine until more safety data is available, and to continue to keep yourself in lockdown to ensure you don't get COVID in the meantime. Indeed, if you're one of those people that has no problem dealing with lockdown and it doesn't bother you, and you get very little value from socialising, I'd argue that's probably the overall best option.

What I don't understand is not taking the vaccine then putting yourself in a position where you will probably catch COVID. And so far most people I have seen who are anti-vaccine are also anti-lockdown. 

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7 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Yep. I can't imagine there is a single sane person on earth who is prepared to sunbathe on the beach while being forced to wear a mask

Vienna`s Tourism Outdoor Places now can only be visited with FFP2 Masks at least until 10. April (more places could be added):

* Donaukanal
* Stephansplatz
* Karlsplatz plus Resselpark
* Schwedenplatz
* Maria-Theresien-Platz (between Kunst- and Naturhistorischem Museum)

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14 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I would say even if she's young and healthy she could still die from COVID, just like she could die from the vaccine. I'd say the difference would be if she'd already had COVID, in which case I can certainly see the argument for not taking it.

But then equally I don't think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine. We're not going to eliminate COVID - the vaccines do a good job at reducing transmission but not so much we can erradicate it  - so everyone is going to get immunity to it eventually, either by catching it or being vaccinated.

There's a supply shortage at the moment, so I especially don't think anyone should be pressured into taking it - your partner should *not* take it and hope for the best if she's worried. That leaves another jab for someone who does want it. 

This isn't like MMR or whatever where a few unvaccinated people can risk major problems for everyone. I honestly think your partner should take it, and I've explained why and why I think the odds are better on taking it, but I'm not going to go out of my way to convince her/you. I'd rather that jab go to someone who is younger and terrified of COVID and desperate to get the vaccine. 

"Wait and see" is definitely an option too for individuals, but only if you're still going to take precautions to not get COVID in the meantime (so staying in, even when things are opening up). I've said a few times I think that's a totally valid position: to not take a vaccine until more safety data is available, and to continue to keep yourself in lockdown to ensure you don't get COVID in the meantime. Indeed, if you're one of those people that has no problem dealing with lockdown and it doesn't bother you, and you get very little value from socialising, I'd argue that's probably the overall best option.

What I don't understand is not taking the vaccine then putting yourself in a position where you will probably catch COVID. And so far most people I have seen who are anti-vaccine are also anti-lockdown. 

Everything you have said here is correct, but one major thing which is being overlooked is the fact that catching Covid naturally and potentially becoming ill is a different risk to weigh up in your mind compared to choosing to have a vaccine and subsequently suffering side effects. And then there is the, albeit unlikely, scenario that you don’t catch Covid or need the vaccine.  

We are all humans who live on this planet, and viruses always have and always will come with the territory of that. If you were to catch Covid then a more ‘well it is what it is’ attitude can be applied into your thinking. Whereas as the vaccines are voluntary, you are actively choosing to take something which has caused the side effects. I’m not currently in this boat (caught Covid in January and will take vaccine when offered) however I can see the dilemma some more anxious people may have.

 

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32 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

I can see a lot of people being diagnosed with asthma or something similar before sunbathing. 

Asthma is not listed as a reason for people to not wear masks ... although many think it is ... asthmatics should be protecting others and using a better masks  because they are more susceptible to worse consequences from covid 

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40 minutes ago, Henrik said:

I'm reading reports this morning that they have changed the rules...

as of this Wednesday, face coverings will be required outdoors and in all public places - including the beach - for anyone over the age of six. Exceptions will continue to be made for people with medical conditions or respiratory problems or for those exercising outdoors.

If you are sunbathing on the beach, you have to wear a mask.

Clowns

No. There's an exemption for "activities that are incompatible with its use"

No way in practice are the police going to fine sunbathers.

I live in Spain and know how the police operate here. They can use discretion and they will, as long as people are discreet themselves.

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1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

I believe Patrick Bamford is eligible for Ireland. Southgate turned him down for the England squad so you might be  lucky there. 

I think that ship has sailed unfortunately. He did play one underage game for us ages ago, but I think he's repeatedly said he wants to play for England...no point frogmarching him into the Ireland camp! 

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23 minutes ago, st dan said:

Everything you have said here is correct, but one major thing which is being overlooked is the fact that catching Covid naturally and potentially becoming ill is a different risk to weigh up in your mind compared to choosing to have a vaccine and subsequently suffering side effects. And then there is the, albeit unlikely, scenario that you don’t catch Covid or need the vaccine.  

We are all humans who live on this planet, and viruses always have and always will come with the territory of that. If you were to catch Covid then a more ‘well it is what it is’ attitude can be applied into your thinking. Whereas as the vaccines are voluntary, you are actively choosing to take something which has caused the side effects. I’m not currently in this boat (caught Covid in January and will take vaccine when offered) however I can see the dilemma some more anxious people may have.

 

It’s not that unlikely. To catch the virus you need to come into contact with a carrier, and there will be less carriers going around in the population once more and more of us either have antibodies from infection or have been vaccinated.

 

The idea of herd immunity is that the small % susceptible are protected from infected because the large % aren’t passing the virus onto them anymore. So the anti vaxxers will be protected, provided that they constitute < 20% of the population 

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2 hours ago, DeanoL said:

 

Not being confrontational, genuine curiosity - has she been petrified about getting COVID the last year too? That has a similar chance of a freak event killing a young, healthy person.

I think it's a legit concern to have about the vaccine, but equally we should have that concern about catching COVID itself, and it's worth thinking about why if someone is concerned about one and not the other.

I think it probably has been. The issue is that risk/benefit approach will look at other things than just minimising death.

If we don't vaccinate everyone we have two options: let COVID run through the population so people get natural immunity, or continue some lockdown measures.

So you then have to consider long COVID, the impact of having a load of people all off work ill at the same time if we just let COVID spread instead, the impact of continued lock down if don't, the damage you will get to the economy from either continued lockdown, or a much weaker economic re-start as there will be massive hesitancy: eat out, get COVID, enjoy - is not a great slogan.

Nope because she's been able to follow the rules and mitigate the risk to herself as much as she has felt necessary.

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3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

I see the archbish has called out megan as a bullshitter when she claimed she got married but before the big public wedding. 

Wonder how much of the other stuff we as bullshit. 

and this is how people discredit everything said, just cos one thing was incorrect doesn't mean it all of it was... but this will sure fire be the way the media will roll with it 😞 

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