When will this shit end?

[xxialac]

It's going to have to all come out soon.

Putting Handelsblatt to one side, it seems to me one potentially valid conclusion one could draw is not that it only works on 8% over older people but that the data doesn't meet the normal scientific standard to be able to approve it for use in over 55s. 

Even the AZ CEO doesn't exactly robustly defend using it in that population after all, as you might expect him to.

[Zoo Music Girl]

10 hours ago, Quark said:

Question for anyone that's volunteered as a vaccine steward through the NHS Responders App.

Are the available locations for stewarding linked to your set distance for tasks?  I had one pop up last week which is outside of my radius, which I accepted, but that's since been cancelled and nothing has come up to replace it.

Assumption based on that was that the stewarding roles are separate from the standard task distances, but now it's all gone quiet I'm not so sure!

Hello! I've volunteered through this as well as via SJA, but while the latter has been in progress I haven't looked into it much. From what I can tell there is no DBS or training required? As I'm now getting emails saying I'm good to go.

Anyway I got this email today which I think would answer some of your questions. I don't think the distance thing should matter, but it sounds like they are still rolling out a lot of these opportunities still and there isn't much about yet. I haven't had any come up in my area yet.

Apologies if you already have this info but I just got it this afternoon:

Our Steward Volunteer role is now live and requests for support are coming in from vaccination sites. All Steward Volunteer shifts are filling up quickly and we are delighted with your response to requests for help.

 

Please do not worry if you have not started to receive shifts in your local area. We fully expect more sites to request support as the vaccination programme expands, more sites go live and NHS teams become familiar with the support you can provide.

 

Volunteers are playing a vital role in the vaccination roll-out.  Steward Volunteers are being asked to help at the many national vaccination sites and mobile sites across England.  Health services in local communities such as GP surgeries or pharmacies are vaccinating patients too and they can also ask for help. There is a nominated NHS organisation in each area known as a Lead Provider, usually a large hospital trust, which is coordinating requests and can book Steward Volunteers through the GoodSAM app.

 

Local health services may choose to recruit local volunteer support and great work is being done here too. Your role with NHS Volunteer Responders is not exclusive and you can apply for these opportunities as well if they are available.

 

 

Information about accepting Steward Volunteer shifts

 

- You do not need to be ‘on duty’ in the app to see and accept Steward Volunteer shifts, they appear in the ‘tasks’ section of the app and you need to check here regularly. There is no siren for this role.

 

- Please accept Steward Volunteer shifts as early as possible – they will usually appear in the app 10 days in advance – as this will allow us time to send you your branded outerwear (high vis vest and poncho) which is dispatched once you accept your first shift. You should always bring this with you. Due to stock availability, these items may arrive at different times. We are prioritising the sending of high-vis vests so you have it for your first shift.

 

 

- Remember to cancel shifts if you can no longer attend so there is time to replace you. This can be done by navigating to the ‘Tasks’ tab in the GoodSAM app, selecting the shift which you can no longer attend and pressing the ‘No longer attending’ button.

 

- You may need to travel to support with the vaccination programme although new sites are joining the programme all the time.  You will be sent details of any shifts within a 15 miles (25km) range, with closest sessions listed first in your app.   Shifts are allocated on a first come, first served basis.

 

[steviewevie]

Maybe as ToiletDuck suggests EMA think there is a lack of trial data for the over 65s so are just going to have the AZ for under 65s and Pfixer and Moderna for over 65s until they know more...and this info is being leaked to this German journalist but there's been some crosswires somewhere? Are we mainly giving the pfizer vaccine to the older population? my Mum and Dad who are over 80 both had pfizer.

[JoeyT]

 

[MrBarry465]

5 hours ago, Chapple12345 said:

This could be the case but I certainly think the second half post May/June will be a vast improvement, probably be able to attend outdoor events and gigs in some capacity and socialise more and then 2022 will be the true party year (new roaring twenties maybe?) 

Was listening to a podcast the other day and they had a viral expert on there. He personally felt it will take 12 months for the vaccine to be rolled out properly in most places. 2021 is absolutely a transitional year.

In 2022, we might be over the virus itself - but we are then dealing with the social, economic and ongoing health impact of it on our lives. We will likely have been living in a strange way for nearly 2 years by the time people are vaccinated, the long term impact of this cannot be underestimated socially. This is when the long term health complications of people who survived covid but were very very ill, also become apparent.

Then 2023 is really when the roaring twenties style revitalisation comes back. It was an interesting perspective.

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by MrBarry465

[SheffJeff]

My mums 72 and had the AZ one but she jumped the queue slightly as she volunteers on an NHS mental health hotline so got jabbed with other NHS workers... kinda wished she'd waited now as it seems all other people of an age I know have had the Pfizer one. Guess time will tell.

[Quark]

10 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Hello! I've volunteered through this as well as via SJA, but while the latter has been in progress I haven't looked into it much. From what I can tell there is no DBS or training required? As I'm now getting emails saying I'm good to go.

Anyway I got this email today which I think would answer some of your questions. I don't think the distance thing should matter, but it sounds like they are still rolling out a lot of these opportunities still and there isn't much about yet. I haven't had any come up in my area yet.

Apologies if you already have this info but I just got it this afternoon:

Our Steward Volunteer role is now live and requests for support are coming in from vaccination sites. All Steward Volunteer shifts are filling up quickly and we are delighted with your response to requests for help.

 

Please do not worry if you have not started to receive shifts in your local area. We fully expect more sites to request support as the vaccination programme expands, more sites go live and NHS teams become familiar with the support you can provide.

 

Volunteers are playing a vital role in the vaccination roll-out.  Steward Volunteers are being asked to help at the many national vaccination sites and mobile sites across England.  Health services in local communities such as GP surgeries or pharmacies are vaccinating patients too and they can also ask for help. There is a nominated NHS organisation in each area known as a Lead Provider, usually a large hospital trust, which is coordinating requests and can book Steward Volunteers through the GoodSAM app.

 

Local health services may choose to recruit local volunteer support and great work is being done here too. Your role with NHS Volunteer Responders is not exclusive and you can apply for these opportunities as well if they are available.

 

 

Information about accepting Steward Volunteer shifts

 

- You do not need to be ‘on duty’ in the app to see and accept Steward Volunteer shifts, they appear in the ‘tasks’ section of the app and you need to check here regularly. There is no siren for this role.

 

- Please accept Steward Volunteer shifts as early as possible – they will usually appear in the app 10 days in advance – as this will allow us time to send you your branded outerwear (high vis vest and poncho) which is dispatched once you accept your first shift. You should always bring this with you. Due to stock availability, these items may arrive at different times. We are prioritising the sending of high-vis vests so you have it for your first shift.

 

 

- Remember to cancel shifts if you can no longer attend so there is time to replace you. This can be done by navigating to the ‘Tasks’ tab in the GoodSAM app, selecting the shift which you can no longer attend and pressing the ‘No longer attending’ button.

 

- You may need to travel to support with the vaccination programme although new sites are joining the programme all the time.  You will be sent details of any shifts within a 15 miles (25km) range, with closest sessions listed first in your app.   Shifts are allocated on a first come, first served basis.

 

Thanks ZMG, got that email not long after I posted the question! Will keep an eye on the app and see what happens.

[Crazyfool01]

a cut above the rest ? which reminds me I need a haircut 😞 

Covid-19: Met Police officers in haircut lockdown breach

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55800312

Edited January 26, 2021 by crazyfool1

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

a cut above the rest ? which reminds me I need a haircut 😞 

Covid-19: Met Police officers in haircut lockdown breach

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55800312

Bob-bies

[HalfAnIdiot]

45 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I'm not defending the German newspaper or saying the data does suggest low protection but AZ is a big corporate and the heads of big corporates are not exactly renowned for their truthfulness.

He's a businessman protecting a share price, not a scientist protecting the truth.

I think that's a rather naïve point of view. AZ trade on faith in their science and professionalism. Any CEO of such as business found deliberately lying about his product the this extent would have a much shortened career and the share price would tank.

Edited January 26, 2021 by HalfAnIdiot
Typo

[zahidf]

 

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Never know whether to get too excited about stories like this. Feel like I’ve read a few similar ones ages ago but nothings really come of it. Sounds promising tho.

[squirrelarmy]

7 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

a cut above the rest ? which reminds me I need a haircut 😞 

Covid-19: Met Police officers in haircut lockdown breach

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55800312

That’s a tricky one. Part of the Police uniform code is to have a neat and tidy haircut. With barbers closed their only other option would be to shave it off with clippers in order to keep it neat if you don’t live with a hairdresser. 
 

I’m having a similar conundrum right now. I’ve got my surgery coming up soon so really could do with getting my haircut first but I’m probably going to end up having to shave the lot off myself 🤔

[Ozanne]

I’ve been cutting my hair since the first lockdown. Zero at the sides and 1 on top. Works quite nicely. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

That’s a tricky one. Part of the Police uniform code is to have a neat and tidy haircut. With barbers closed their only other option would be to shave it off with clippers in order to keep it neat if you don’t live with a hairdresser. 
 

I’m having a similar conundrum right now. I’ve got my surgery coming up soon so really could do with getting my haircut first but I’m probably going to end up having to shave the lot off myself 🤔

im seeing what the next lockdown instalment brings before deciding if its worth investing in clippers that im only likely to use once .... 

[xxialac]

3 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

I think that's a rather naïve point of view. AZ trade on faith in their science and professionalism. Any CEO of such as business found deliberately lying about his product the this extent would have a much shortened career and the share price would tank.

That's true, they do trade on those abilities.

Though what I was responding to was the suggestion that the Astrazeneca CEO knows more than the journalist. Of course that's true but it doesn't rule out him bending the truth There there have been a long list of scandals where the CEOs of a similarly large corporate has manipulated or outright lied about something (Enron, Worldcom, Vivendi, Parmalat, Tyco etc) and, yes their career was shortened and yes the share price tanked.

 

[xxialac]

13 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Good story.

Humankind to be saved by a sea squirt.

[Copperface]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Good story.

Humankind to be saved by a sea squirt.

Who thought we'd be saved by a drug from Ibiza?

[gizmoman]

17 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

I think that's a rather naïve point of view. AZ trade on faith in their science and professionalism. Any CEO of such as business found deliberately lying about his product the this extent would have a much shortened career and the share price would tank.

Yes there's lots of naivety about,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/astrazeneca-fined-5m-for-bribing-doctors-lxjfm3pzm

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/astrazeneca-pay-520-million-illegally-marketing-seroquel-schizophrenia/story?id=10488647

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/AstraZeneca+fined+%24355+million+as+U.S.+cracks+down+on+medicare+fraud.-a0107697604

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-texas-lawsuits-idUSKBN1KT0Q9

 

 

 

[HalfAnIdiot]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

That's true, they do trade on those abilities.

Though what I was responding to was the suggestion that the Astrazeneca CEO knows more than the journalist. Of course that's true but it doesn't rule out him bending the truth There there have been a long list of scandals where the CEOs of a similarly large corporate has manipulated or outright lied about something (Enron, Worldcom, Vivendi, Parmalat, Tyco etc) and, yes their career was shortened and yes the share price tanked.

 

I feel that is Ala strawman argument that reveals more about your (unconscious?) biases than anything else.

Interestingly Soriot has been openly critical of the me-first nationalist approach governments have taken to dealing with the pandemic.

[Paul ™]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

a cut above the rest ? which reminds me I need a haircut 😞 

They should be perm-anently suspended.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Paul ™ said:

They should be perm-anently suspended.

I feel my life is justified if I can at least once per day encourage puns like this 🙂 

[HalfAnIdiot]

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Yes there's lots of naivety about,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/astrazeneca-fined-5m-for-bribing-doctors-lxjfm3pzm

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/astrazeneca-pay-520-million-illegally-marketing-seroquel-schizophrenia/story?id=10488647

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/AstraZeneca+fined+%24355+million+as+U.S.+cracks+down+on+medicare+fraud.-a0107697604

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-texas-lawsuits-idUSKBN1KT0Q9

 

 

 

Am I being 'put right' again for daring to challenge the anti-government/anti-business meme of this thread.

Oh joy!

[incident]

13 minutes ago, xxialac said:

That's true, they do trade on those abilities.

Though what I was responding to was the suggestion that the Astrazeneca CEO knows more than the journalist. Of course that's true but it doesn't rule out him bending the truth There there have been a long list of scandals where the CEOs of a similarly large corporate has manipulated or outright lied about something (Enron, Worldcom, Vivendi, Parmalat, Tyco etc) and, yes their career was shortened and yes the share price tanked.

While I understand the scepticism, I tend to take the view that if there is a problem that AZ and/or their CEO are hiding then they'd do so before submitting data to the EMA that made it obvious.

If he is lying, then he's picked absolutely the wrong time to do so because the data the EMA have will be published very soon.

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Yes there's lots of naivety about,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/astrazeneca-fined-5m-for-bribing-doctors-lxjfm3pzm

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/astrazeneca-pay-520-million-illegally-marketing-seroquel-schizophrenia/story?id=10488647

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/AstraZeneca+fined+%24355+million+as+U.S.+cracks+down+on+medicare+fraud.-a0107697604

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-texas-lawsuits-idUSKBN1KT0Q9

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

I feel that is Ala strawman argument that reveals more about your (unconscious?) biases than anything else.

Interestingly Soriot has been openly critical of the me-first nationalist approach governments have taken to dealing with the pandemic.

So I have a "naive" perspective. 

Any response to the post above about endless corporate wrongdoings at Astrazeneca? 

And all humans have unconscious biases. You're very fond of saying this but I'm not sure it applies here. I'm not saying all CEOs bend the truth. But they are under great pressure to maintain high share prices and sometimes that makes them behave unethically.