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28 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

No wonder the NHS is always skint! Why are the costs so high? is it the true cost of production or are the drug companies making a killing because they have the patent?

The first batch of the drug costs anything up to a billion quid, after that, the production costs go down massively (these are complex drugs though, even the copies of them that are made after the patent runs out can only be made by major Pharma/Biotech companies). Drug companies also insist that not only do they have to pay for the drugs that work, but also the ones that don't (and these still cost a lot of money, many get to phase 3 trials before they get binned due to not working properly, which is an expensive place to fail). There's a degree of truth in all this, but they also spend a fortune on marketing to get people to use their drugs. They also make a lot of money (some of the more rogue ones corner the market in certain drugs and then drive the price up, but that's another discussion entirely...those companies rarely do much if any R&D, they are just complete cowboys). Basically, the cost is whatever people are willing to pay for it. If it's too expensive, no-one will use it, so the health economics arms of different healthcare providers will negotiate with the drug company on price and then make it available for patients. 

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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I wonder what this means for their plans, if anything. It’s just come about through their mass testing program so at least it’s not due to the virus being spread around training. 

I would have thought thats the point of the testing now ... get all those players isolated ... all teams will have had a chance for injured players to recover during the enforced absence , hopefully they all recover and haven't been mixing with team mates outside so it doesnt become a massive issue with whole teams 

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9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I wonder what this means for their plans, if anything. It’s just come about through their mass testing program so at least it’s not due to the virus being spread around training. 

I guess at this stage it won’t necessarily make a difference as they were only due back to training today, it also doesn’t actually specify if they were players, they could’ve been staff. Each club could test up to 40 people. Germany had a few positive tests not long ago before they resumed and it still didn’t stop them from going ahead. It makes you wonder though, in theory our case numbers should be close to the lowest levels now, and we’re also more or less still in lockdown. So if they’ve found 6 players now, then in a month/6 weeks when games could in theory be back up and running presumably more will be testing positive, that’s of course if further easing of lockdown does send cases back up though.

Another thought is that it’s interesting that they’ve tested pretty much all their players and staff and in that snapshot 1% have got the virus, presumably all asymptomatic as well as they’re all only self isolating for 7 days. Again given the low level of cases now, it does potentially suggest a lot of people have had it.

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25 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I guess at this stage it won’t necessarily make a difference as they were only due back to training today, it also doesn’t actually specify if they were players, they could’ve been staff. Each club could test up to 40 people. Germany had a few positive tests not long ago before they resumed and it still didn’t stop them from going ahead. It makes you wonder though, in theory our case numbers should be close to the lowest levels now, and we’re also more or less still in lockdown. So if they’ve found 6 players now, then in a month/6 weeks when games could in theory be back up and running presumably more will be testing positive, that’s of course if further easing of lockdown does send cases back up though.

Another thought is that it’s interesting that they’ve tested pretty much all their players and staff and in that snapshot 1% have got the virus, presumably all asymptomatic as well as they’re all only self isolating for 7 days. Again given the low level of cases now, it does potentially suggest a lot of people have had it.

Or it suggests lockdown has been very effective in meaning people aren’t as exposed to to the virus?

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Why on earth was the penny farthing ever designed?  By all accounts it's terrible to ride, what made somebody think "I know, let's make one massive wheel and one tiny one", that'll be good!

I presume there was some engineering reason, based on current available technology, or maybe it was just someone being a bit daft?

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8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Why on earth was the penny farthing ever designed?  By all accounts it's terrible to ride, what made somebody think "I know, let's make one massive wheel and one tiny one", that'll be good!

I presume there was some engineering reason, based on current available technology, or maybe it was just someone being a bit daft?

one revolution of the pedals move you forwards the distance of one revolution of the (bigger) wheel 

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34 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

How can they make up some test numbers  to hit that 200,000 target when they are barely hitting 100,000 .... I don’t think even they will manage to spin this 

Dead Cat Theory. Just you watch.

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1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Why on earth was the penny farthing ever designed?  By all accounts it's terrible to ride, what made somebody think "I know, let's make one massive wheel and one tiny one", that'll be good!

I presume there was some engineering reason, based on current available technology, or maybe it was just someone being a bit daft?

Insane wheelies 

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We have just made the decision to delay the wedding. Was meant to be 5th September this year but just can't see a wedding of around 100 people being allowed by then. Would you lot tend to agree with that assumption? I don't want to postpone it needlessly but just finding it hard to see how it can happen...

They offered us mid-Feb or early September (the only dates available! 😲). Gone for September as I can't be dealing with moving it to February then having to move it again!

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9 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

We have just made the decision to delay the wedding. Was meant to be 5th September this year but just can't see a wedding of around 100 people being allowed by then. Would you lot tend to agree with that assumption? I don't want to postpone it needlessly but just finding it hard to see how it can happen...

They offered us mid-Feb or early September (the only dates available! 😲). Gone for September as I can't be dealing with moving it to February then having to move it again!

Sorry your having to delay your wedding but think you are probably  right! You deserve to have the day you both planned for! All my best wishes for the future and your married life together! Keep us updated! 

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18 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

We have just made the decision to delay the wedding. Was meant to be 5th September this year but just can't see a wedding of around 100 people being allowed by then. Would you lot tend to agree with that assumption? I don't want to postpone it needlessly but just finding it hard to see how it can happen...

They offered us mid-Feb or early September (the only dates available! 😲). Gone for September as I can't be dealing with moving it to February then having to move it again!

Sorry you’ve had to do that mate but you’ve definitely made the right call. The chances of having gatherings of 100 odd people by September aren’t high. Best to make the change now then have to do it last minute. 

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26 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

We have just made the decision to delay the wedding. Was meant to be 5th September this year but just can't see a wedding of around 100 people being allowed by then. Would you lot tend to agree with that assumption? I don't want to postpone it needlessly but just finding it hard to see how it can happen...

They offered us mid-Feb or early September (the only dates available! 😲). Gone for September as I can't be dealing with moving it to February then having to move it again!

A sound decision. You need certainty for planning & enjoying your wedding and the longer delay should provide ample time for the current situation to be resolved. On the plus side it will be warmer then than in February too. 

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On 5/18/2020 at 12:34 PM, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Absolutely, many examples of that unfortunately and that’s what sticks in people’s minds. Specific stories of young people dying, people that have been left with permanent lung damage/ongoing health issues, people who have been ‘reinfected’. It only takes one story on each to lead to the perception all of those things are widespread issues with the virus.

The stories of those badly affected have been horrible. But they’re in a minority. The story that people were getting reinfected stuck and I saw it being repeated on Twitter today, even though two weeks ago that was debunked as false negatives and every bit of evidence since then has shown infected people have Antibodies. That hasn’t travelled as well. It’s odd. 

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44 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

We have just made the decision to delay the wedding. Was meant to be 5th September this year but just can't see a wedding of around 100 people being allowed by then. Would you lot tend to agree with that assumption? I don't want to postpone it needlessly but just finding it hard to see how it can happen...

They offered us mid-Feb or early September (the only dates available! 😲). Gone for September as I can't be dealing with moving it to February then having to move it again!

I think you've made the right decision. Theres a chance that is might be ALLOWED by then, but whether it should be is another question. It definitely won't be safe by then, especially for older people. 

My mum's friends' daughter has cancelled theirs too for the week before, just because of the worry of older relatives getting ill afterwards. May as well do it when there are no such worries.

9 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

The stories of those badly affected have been horrible. But they’re in a minority. The story that people were getting reinfected stuck and I saw it being repeated on Twitter today, even though two weeks ago that was debunked as false negatives and every bit of evidence since then has shown infected people have Antibodies. That hasn’t travelled as well. It’s odd. 

There are only a few in the media but there are loads here https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19positive/

I know people posting online aren't always as trusted as media reports, and are generally outliers, but a lot of these cases sound horrible. They also don't sound like they're taken seriously a lot of the time. 

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Thanks all @funkychick2007 @Ozanne @Lycra @efcfanwirral

I actually feel like a weight has been lifted as we were just obsessing over it every day, wondering what the social distancing measures would be etc. It seemed like even if it went ahead it would be nothing like a normal wedding anyway.

On the plus side we now have more time to save and we're still going on the honeymoon (now just a holiday) so that's something to look forward to!

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25 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I think you've made the right decision. Theres a chance that is might be ALLOWED by then, but whether it should be is another question. It definitely won't be safe by then, especially for older people. 

My mum's friends' daughter has cancelled theirs too for the week before, just because of the worry of older relatives getting ill afterwards. May as well do it when there are no such worries.

There are only a few in the media but there are loads here https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19positive/

I know people posting online aren't always as trusted as media reports, and are generally outliers, but a lot of these cases sound horrible. They also don't sound like they're taken seriously a lot of the time. 

Yeah as I say, horrible. I wouldn’t ever dream of playing down anybody’s experience. But they are in a minority. We’re close to 5 million known cases worldwide. There’s almost certainly been a lot more on top.

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Well that's not exactly reassuring.

BREAKING: Cambridge confirms ‘no face-to-face lectures during the next academic year’

Lectures and exams will be conducted virtually

In an email sent to Senior Tutors today (19th May), it was announced that the University of Cambridge plans to move all “face-to-face lectures” online in the next academic year, 2020/21.

Alice Benton, the Head of Education services, states in the email that the “General Board’s Education Committee” has “agreed that, since it is highly likely that rigid social distancing will be required throughout the next academic year, there will be no face-to-face lectures next year.”

“The decision has been taken to provide a degree of certainty to facilitate Faculties and Departments when planning for educational delivery next academic year”.

Lectures will be live-streamed, recorded and made available on Moodle, while there are plans for lecture theatres to be used for small group teaching in line with social distancing requirements: “Faculties and Departments should continue to plan for face-to-face delivery of seminars, workshops and small group teaching”.

In reference to Michaelmas exams, Benton also notes that it is ‘highly unlikely these examinations will be able to take place in examination halls’. She suggests faculties adapt to this scenario accordingly.

https://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2020/05/19/cambridge-confirms-no-face-to-face-lectures-during-the-next-academic-year-137712

 

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53 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I think you've made the right decision. Theres a chance that is might be ALLOWED by then, but whether it should be is another question. It definitely won't be safe by then, especially for older people. 

My mum's friends' daughter has cancelled theirs too for the week before, just because of the worry of older relatives getting ill afterwards. May as well do it when there are no such worries.

There are only a few in the media but there are loads here https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19positive/

I know people posting online aren't always as trusted as media reports, and are generally outliers, but a lot of these cases sound horrible. They also don't sound like they're taken seriously a lot of the time. 

There have been 5 million confirmed cases worldwide, so in reality maybe as many as 50 - 100 million, or possibly more. Although some of those reddit posts sound horrible and no doubt there are lasting health issues for some, they are still somewhat in the minority. The millions of people that were largely asymptomatic and had it very mild won’t be making posts about it on Reddit. 

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16 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Well that's not exactly reassuring.

BREAKING: Cambridge confirms ‘no face-to-face lectures during the next academic year’

Lectures and exams will be conducted virtually

In an email sent to Senior Tutors today (19th May), it was announced that the University of Cambridge plans to move all “face-to-face lectures” online in the next academic year, 2020/21.

Alice Benton, the Head of Education services, states in the email that the “General Board’s Education Committee” has “agreed that, since it is highly likely that rigid social distancing will be required throughout the next academic year, there will be no face-to-face lectures next year.”

“The decision has been taken to provide a degree of certainty to facilitate Faculties and Departments when planning for educational delivery next academic year”.

Lectures will be live-streamed, recorded and made available on Moodle, while there are plans for lecture theatres to be used for small group teaching in line with social distancing requirements: “Faculties and Departments should continue to plan for face-to-face delivery of seminars, workshops and small group teaching”.

In reference to Michaelmas exams, Benton also notes that it is ‘highly unlikely these examinations will be able to take place in examination halls’. She suggests faculties adapt to this scenario accordingly.

https://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2020/05/19/cambridge-confirms-no-face-to-face-lectures-during-the-next-academic-year-137712

 

I think that there is an ardument for a reduction in fees under the circumstances. At least bring them down to levels for online study like the OU. 

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1 hour ago, MEGABOWL said:

Yeah as I say, horrible. I wouldn’t ever dream of playing down anybody’s experience. But they are in a minority. We’re close to 5 million known cases worldwide. There’s almost certainly been a lot more on top.

You can get that from any illness, if you Google it you’ll hear of the most severe cases. In the U.K. for some reason we don’t publish recovery rates which only adds to the build up of anxiety. 

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10 hours ago, zahidf said:

This will be pushed as part of blame the scientist strategy (even though old story it will be pushed forward again I reckon)

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