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8 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

I'm not so sure.

Not because I'm pessimistic about the virus/vaccines over the coming months, but more that I think there's still going to be plenty to talk about in here for the next 4-6 months.

Actually you are correct if we go at 10 pages a day with 201 days to the festival that’s another 2000 pages ... I’m sure we will start to slow once we get some kind of announcement though ... maybe then it will be put in the efest archives 

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1 hour ago, Copperface said:

Yep. There is a specific mention of Performing Artists in the exemption, along with recently signed footballers etc and some others as well. So although it's a been presented as a rich man's pass, it also opens things up for bands wanting to come here and play and not have to quarantine.

Other new categories of traveller excluded from the usual 14-day coronavirus quarantine include professionals in the performing arts, TV production staff, journalists and recently signed elite sportspeople.

 

I know we all want gigs back, but surely the last people you want to exempt from quarantine are people that are coming here to tour since if it turns out they are contagious they will have spread it in multiple areas. This seems like we're trying to create super spreaders. I hope it's like football or formula 1 where they put significant efforts into testing to minimise the risk.

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7 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

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I thought this was a handy graph. So some sort of immunity developing between the two doses but early January before anyone has full immunity.

So mostly likely it'll be through February and into early March that we first start to see a real effect on hospitalisations and deaths from the vaccines.

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1 minute ago, Mellotr0n said:

So mostly likely it'll be through February and into early March that we first start to see a real effect on hospitalisations and deaths from the vaccines.

Yep and fairly likely based on that we get an early jan booster lockdown I’d say ... to keep the numbers manageable without the economic impact ... although this year might have had some bounce back due to the lack of spending over xmas 

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3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Yep and fairly likely based on that we get an early jan booster lockdown I’d say ... to keep the numbers manageable without the economic impact ... although this year might have had some bounce back due to the lack of spending over xmas 

I'm personally not sure I can see there being another lockdown, regardless of whether it should be done epidemiologically - I just think the political pressure on Johnson from within his own party will be too great. There was already a lot of opposition to the current restrictions, and that's only going to grow as we see the end coming closer.

However, we could see a "partial lockdown by stealth" with areas being kept in Tier 2/3 for longer than originally hoped.

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4 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

I'm personally not sure I can see there being another lockdown, regardless of whether it should be done epidemiologically - I just think the political pressure on Johnson from within his own party will be too great. There was already a lot of opposition to the current restrictions, and that's only going to grow as we see the end coming closer.

However, we could see a "partial lockdown by stealth" with areas being kept in Tier 2/3 for longer than originally hoped.

Yep actually that’s more likely 

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1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Yep actually that’s more likely 

I think what you suggested - a short, perhaps 2 week lockdown in early January, with a promise to be the absolute last time we do it, based on knowledge of vaccine rollout speed by then - would probably be a good idea, actually. 

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44 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

What made that occur to you now?  

I was searching for data on how effective it would be on preventing deaths and technically it’s 100% effective because there was 1 death in the placebo group and none in the vaccine group. Then I figured that person would probably have survived if the random allocation had gone the other way. 

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22 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

I'm personally not sure I can see there being another lockdown, regardless of whether it should be done epidemiologically - I just think the political pressure on Johnson from within his own party will be too great. There was already a lot of opposition to the current restrictions, and that's only going to grow as we see the end coming closer.

However, we could see a "partial lockdown by stealth" with areas being kept in Tier 2/3 for longer than originally hoped.

He wouldn’t need those 50-70 MPs though. If a lockdown was urgently needed and they put the financials measures in place then Labour would vote for one. It would be a sham of a government but it would go through. 

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48 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Just been talking to my sister and it appears nurses have been offered less than their standard hourly rate to do the jab .... not exactly an incentive !! :( 

I can understand that to some extent. It’s a job that a nurse is far overqualified to do and can be done by a lot of other healthcare workers who don’t have the full medical training that a nurse has. 
 

To explain it in a non medical way and one that’s relevant to your own field of expertise. 
 

You’ve just opened up a new store and need a lot of shelves stocking up. It’s a job that is usually done by workers on minimum wage. You might have a load of FLT drivers able to do the same job and wanting to help out. Should they get paid their FLT wage to do a shelf stacking job?

If they’re willing to do it for less money than their standard rate that’s fine but they shouldn’t expect their full wage for doing a less skilled job. 

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Just now, squirrelarmy said:

I can understand that to some extent. It’s a job that a nurse is far overqualified to do and can be done by a lot of other healthcare workers who don’t have the full medical training that a nurse has. 
 

To explain it in a non medical way and one that’s relevant to your own field of expertise. 
 

You’ve just opened up a new store and need a lot of shelves stocking up. It’s a job that is usually done by workers on minimum wage. You might have a load of FLT drivers able to do the same job and wanting to help out. Should they get paid their FLT wage to do a shelf stacking job?

If they’re willing to do it for less money than their standard rate that’s fine but they shouldn’t expect their full wage for doing a less skilled job. 

But surely they want to encourage practise nurses that already do that job for flu jabs to be doing it with some incentive .... it’s all hands to the pump and practise nurses always do that job and aren’t overqualified for a job they do already 

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3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

I can understand that to some extent. It’s a job that a nurse is far overqualified to do and can be done by a lot of other healthcare workers who don’t have the full medical training that a nurse has. 
 

To explain it in a non medical way and one that’s relevant to your own field of expertise. 
 

You’ve just opened up a new store and need a lot of shelves stocking up. It’s a job that is usually done by workers on minimum wage. You might have a load of FLT drivers able to do the same job and wanting to help out. Should they get paid their FLT wage to do a shelf stacking job?

If they’re willing to do it for less money than their standard rate that’s fine but they shouldn’t expect their full wage for doing a less skilled job. 

As a computer programmer, if I have to occasionally do some data entry, I don't expect my salary to be reduced because I'm doing something different that day.

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5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

As a computer programmer, if I have to occasionally do some data entry, I don't expect my salary to be reduced because I'm doing something different that day.

If you took a job on the side doing data entry, your normal salary wouldn’t be reduced, you just wouldn’t be paid the same rate for the extra job.

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11 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I’d love to know how many people fit in all these groups .... anyone seen any breakdowns of numbers ? 

My understanding is that "the most vulnerable" - that they're looking to have vaccinated with this initial programme - covers about 20 million people. Hence JVTs comments that vaccinating the most vulnerable third of the country will prevent 99% of deaths.

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Re. the job thing, if it's an offer of extra shifts in a different role then fair enough (optional, a bit of relatively easy money), if it's as part of the current role then no way, I mean if a heart surgeon offered to help out would he reasonably expect his normal rate? 

 

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12 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

As a computer programmer, if I have to occasionally do some data entry, I don't expect my salary to be reduced because I'm doing something different that day.

Exactly. It’s not like the 5th richest country in the world can’t afford it either. Just pay the nurses full salary for crying out loud. 

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6 minutes ago, balthazarstarbuck said:

If you took a job on the side doing data entry, your normal salary wouldn’t be reduced, you just wouldn’t be paid the same rate for the extra job.

I wouldn't take on a side job that paid less than my salary.  If somebody with my skills was required to fill an urgent need, then I'd probably get my normal day rate, even if what I'm doing isn't that difficult compared to my normal work.

They should pay the bloody nurses properly.  

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