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8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe Corbyn knew how Starmer would react too?

He probably was trying to call his bluff. Openly defying his statement could only lead to one cause of action. 
 

Starmer gave Corbyn the rope to hang himself with. 

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3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Anti semitism is a major problem with the left in general as they’re all armchair experts on the Middle East peace process. Likewise with islamophobia on the right. 

it's not just the middle east...it's the whole capitalism jewish banker thing too, with a bit of holocaust denial thrown in for fun.

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7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Anti semitism is a major problem with the left in general as they’re all armchair experts on the Middle East peace process. Likewise with islamophobia on the right. 

One thing that pisses me off about the left is the weird idea that the average voter is really, really concerned about the situation in Israel/'Jewishness' in general. This whole row took place while Brexit was being fought over FFS.

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3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

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Unfortunately this may well be a high water mark as this is from when the lead story was Tories starving kids rather Labour fighting itself again.

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1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

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This is from the week before in case you didn’t realise. Will be interesting to see the immediate changes. But more damaging will be the withdrawal of manpower and membership fees in the longer run

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6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

it's not just the middle east...it's the whole capitalism jewish banker thing too, with a bit of holocaust denial thrown in for fun.

I know steviewevie will side-step the following question with a pithy one-liner, so anyone else feel free to jump in as it's a genuine question:

What actual examples of antisemitism amongst labour activists is this story based on?  The reason I ask is that every time I've read an article about this, there's pages and pages of discussion but never any actual examples.  What have these people actually been saying which is antisemitic?

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1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

This is from the week before in case you didn’t realise. Will be interesting to see the immediate changes. But more damaging will be the withdrawal of manpower and membership fees in the longer run

I do realise, I said so in the post above yours. A few of the hard left leaving Labour and voting Greens or whatever doesn't seem a big deal to me. 

Thos numbers also look even better cause 5% greens will never happen IMO and at least half of that will go to Labour in the end.

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3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

That is the most substantial Labour lead I have seen for ages.

Obviously I'm assuming this was done post- free school meals and pre-corbyn suspension

Sorry I didn’t see this post. The public seem to support the suspension of Corbyn, so it might not have much of a negative impact?

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1 minute ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

I know steviewevie will side-step the following question with a pithy one-liner, so anyone else feel free to jump in as it's a genuine question:

What actual examples of antisemitism amongst labour activists is this story based on?  The reason I ask is that every time I've read an article about this, there's pages and pages of discussion but never any actual examples.  What have these people actually been saying which is antisemitic?

I guess you could read the report.

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14 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Point to me where I sided with Boris Johnson in all of this?

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

He would of been one of the most dangerous leaders we would ever have had if he got in.

Its the perils of an either:or system. You end up with the person you despise least. 

 

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1 minute ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

I know steviewevie will side-step the following question with a pithy one-liner, so anyone else feel free to jump in as it's a genuine question:

What actual examples of antisemitism amongst labour activists is this story based on?  The reason I ask is that every time I've read an article about this, there's pages and pages of discussion but never any actual examples.  What have these people actually been saying which is antisemitic?

Have a look at Ken Livingston's suspension for an example

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1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Sorry I didn’t see this post. The public seem to support the suspension of Corbyn, so it might not have much of a negative impact?

I think a few people will shift to Greens (only place I could see them going) but overall I've no idea how it'll play really. I think the vast majority of the public don't care about Corbyn any more and just want to move on from that era.

 

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4 minutes ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

I know steviewevie will side-step the following question with a pithy one-liner, so anyone else feel free to jump in as it's a genuine question:

What actual examples of antisemitism amongst labour activists is this story based on?  The reason I ask is that every time I've read an article about this, there's pages and pages of discussion but never any actual examples.  What have these people actually been saying which is antisemitic?

 

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess you could read the report.

pithy enough for you?

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11 minutes ago, Homer said:

One thing that pisses me off about the left is the weird idea that the average voter is really, really concerned about the situation in Israel/'Jewishness' in general. This whole row took place while Brexit was being fought over FFS.

I feel the same.  I have friends who are extremely passionate about the Palestinian situation and I have in the past cringed at some of their output because really it DOES play into the hands of those who seek to criticise activists on the left of anti-Semitism, not because that is their actual view, but because the general tone is so heavily biased against the Israeli state as to make their statements seem like caricatures, exaggeration and hyperbole.  In any debate you lose the argument once you stop being realistic in the statements which you use to back up your views. 

Israel has much to offer the world, producing some great minds in science, industry and computing, agile businesses capable of contributing to making great progress but also has an image problem that comes from the deeply conservative element of their society and governments.  I think that people need to be more dispassionate and start looking at Israel as being just another nation, not some exception to either be vilified or defended with no middle ground between.

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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sorry I didn’t see this post. The public seem to support the suspension of Corbyn, so it might not have much of a negative impact?

It's perfectly possible for the public to support the suspension of Corbyn and still be turned off from Labour by the whole affair.

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