When will this shit end?

[ace56blaa]

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

its important I would say that it has one cause and that is stuck to ..... otherwise it just becomes that divided muddle , that would be difficult to keep it going off at tangents as is the case with many groups ive been in ....

My main thing is holding accountable MP and members of government. 

It's gonna be hard to keep a group on track obviously but my goal would be to be able to get answers of local MPS who are avoiding questioning, lobbying local newspapers/sites to take up these causes, Trying to create a channel where the schilling of the government can be combated, we can reach people who only rely on news and tv

[steviewevie]

55 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

Sunak just confirmed NW businesses would be backdated to beginning of August, so it is including the "trial" version of tiers that were done in NW, Yorkshire and Leicester over the summer 

That's good.

Take it all back, I love Rishi.

[ace56blaa]

Just now, ace56blaa said:

My main thing is holding accountable MP and members of government. 

It's gonna be hard to keep a group on track obviously but my goal would be to be able to get answers of local MPS who are avoiding questioning, lobbying local newspapers/sites to take up these causes, Trying to create a channel where the schilling of the government can be combated, we can reach people who only rely on news and tv

Also important that it is a partisan concept. For example a  margaret ferrier situation, has she even resigned yet?

[Simsy]

4 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Please reach out if you want to help with anything. If you have ideas, if you have an idea for how I can start this. Or even just a name for a group.  

Because I know it's fun to debate "How we can get 12 people around our house fro xmas" and this page is an excellent source of laughs and light

But I think it could also be a jumping off point for something else

I'm afraid I don't really know what to do (although I'd love to do something).

This might help a bit for those who are writing to their MPs. This page shows how many pupils were eligible for free school meals in the last 3 years in each local authority (unfortunately not available by constituency). If anyone is living in a Tory area with above average free school meals, you could try including your local stats in your complaint (but I bet they still won't give a shit).

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/permalink/84442a68-22fe-44ab-8575-5763e0650adc

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m going to straight up ask you.

 

What should be allowed and what shouldn’t over the Christmas week? Be very specific. 

What should be allowed:
Alcohol.
Brussel Sprouts.
 

What should not be allowed:
Family meals.
Presents.
Trees.
Turkeys.
Father Christmas.
Any happiness.

[ace56blaa]

1 minute ago, Simsy said:

I'm afraid I don't really know what to do (although I'd love to do something).

This might help a bit for those who are writing to their MPs. This page shows how many pupils were eligible for free school meals in the last 3 years in each local authority (unfortunately not available by constituency). If anyone is living in a Tory area with above average free school meals, you could try including your local stats in your complaint (but I bet they still won't give a shit).

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/permalink/84442a68-22fe-44ab-8575-5763e0650adc

My idea is to create a big enough group of people that an MP could get hundreds or thousands of emails in situations where they might only get a couple. Something they'll have bigger problem ignoring

I think if they ignore stuff like that, then they'll have to explain why they can't make time for their constiuents.

[steviewevie]

34 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Hey Guys. 
So I really want to organize. 
We are mostly are group of like minded people and smart well rounded people.
But seriously how long can we just keep posting how much everything sucks here without doing something. 
Obviously our voices alone will not do anything, but at this point we are facing an absolute corrupt government, which was okay before because before Bojo and Co. there was some form of accountability, MPS would lose their jobs for this incompetence, But we are looking at a state of politic where our current government employs thousands of bots on twitter/social media to further their agenda, as well as the stooges they have in newspapers. -Even though More and more people are seeing the tories for qwhat they are, scum with no policy only a insatiable lust for power and money. - This government stands for nothing and we can't stand for that. At least other Tories leaders have seemed like they have had more of an agenda beyond stripping the country of it's resources and money. 

Petitions aren't working, voting is four years away. 

My MP voted against free school meals, but he's a millionaire who I think has rarely a public appearance in Huntingdon other than to campaign. - I sent him an email about his decision to vote against it, but what does he care about this one email. Most tories aren't voting because they believe that Kids shouldn't go hungry, they fall in line with the whip and thought as to not embarrass their leaders. 

I think we need to start a page or group or something, somewhere where we can all bring in everyone we know who feels the same around the country. We can organize to send mass emails to MPS, We can support people up and down the country who are rightly frustrated.

Normally I'd say it's not democratic to rage against the voted in party, but Tories have no respect for law, for democracy, Some of them would probably kill before owning up to their mistakes. It's a mafia government, if you need evidence for that. Just look at the photo of Gavin Williamson around the exams crisis, he posed with a whip and red book, sending out a message of black mail to other MPs.

What if we can get more information about what is going in parliament.

I know this can sound ridiculous, but seriously. What is going on right now? - Tory voters aren't benefitting from their decision unless their rich. 

What can we do? any suggestions for something like this welcome. - 
 

we could shout at people on twitter?

[steviewevie]

Scum.

[steviewevie]

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

How will we afford all this?

I only say that as it’s been asked recently when Keir Starmer wants a circuit breaker lockdown to be brought in but not when the actual Chancellor announces more funding. So if we ask the same of Keir we should ask the same of the people in charge. 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Ozanne

[ace56blaa]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we could shout at people on twitter?

I know you're joking but well this is the exact thing I want to avoid. - I wouldn't want to use the group the harass or shame people. But organize in a way that we can teach people how to get answers and results without name calling as much as some people do deserve it. 

Like what if instead of thousands of people sharing a MP on twitter when they do something outrageous, they just block him. unfollow him and only address them through emails or letters. Most these people probably know not to read comment but are old fashioned enough to not avoid letters from constiuents
 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

How will we afford all this?

I only say that as it’s been asked recently when Keir Starmer wants a circuit breaker lockdown to be brought in but not when the actual Chancellor announces more funding. So if we ask the same of Keir we should ask the same of the people in charge. 

we borrow, and slowly pay off over the years/decades ahead, like after WW2.

[shoptildrop]

Something more cheery - the Monsters are back in Manchester  

 

 

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we borrow, and slowly pay off over the years/decades ahead, like after WW2.

I was more pointing out that when the Tories do something no bats an eyelid. Labour call for something and people come out asking how it’s going to be funded.

Tories vote against free school meals for kids, no one bats an eye lid. Labour Dep Leader calls a Tory scum and there’s uproar. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I was more pointing out that when the Tories do something no bats an eyelid. Labour call for something and people come out asking how it’s going to be funded.

Tories vote against free school meals for kids, no one bats an eye lid. Labour Dep Leader calls a Tory scum and there’s uproar. 

Hardly.

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Hardly.

Cuz that’s the thing to focus on there isn’t it. You seemed to make a fuss over that scum comment yesterday yet have made no mention on Tories voting against free school meals for kids. I wonder why... 🤔

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I was more pointing out that when the Tories do something no bats an eyelid. Labour call for something and people come out asking how it’s going to be funded.

Tories vote against free school meals for kids, no one bats an eye lid. Labour Dep Leader calls a Tory scum and there’s uproar. 

On your first point I agree...if Corbyn/McDonnell was spending all this money it would be labelled as scary socialism gone mad.

On the 2nd point, I don't know...the free school meal thing has got a lot of publicity...and as with everything opinions are divided..I have heard quite a lot of people saying it's the responsibility of parents to feed children and there is welfare for them etc etc.

[steviewevie]

meanwhile...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/alarm-as-arctic-sea-ice-not-yet-freezing-at-latest-date-on-record

[mcshed]

4 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

Mark Francois managed to get in his vote to starve kids last night... Haven’t seen him for a while.

Wasn't bail lifted on that MP accused of rape the other day?

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

On your first point I agree...if Corbyn/McDonnell was spending all this money it would be labelled as scary socialism gone mad.

On the 2nd point, I don't know...the free school meal thing has got a lot of publicity...and as with everything opinions are divided..I have heard quite a lot of people saying it's the responsibility of parents to feed children and there is welfare for them etc etc.

Look in the press there isn’t much about it, we mentioned it earlier this morning. You have to dig down through stuff to get to it. It’s demoralising to see happen, even here those 2 examples I’ve given sum it up for me.

My own point of view, I believe as a rich country we should ensure that no child will ever go hungry. It’s also Tory based austerity that has led to rising poverty and those families being unable to feel their children.  

Edited October 22, 2020 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Look in the press there isn’t much about it, we mentioned it earlier this morning. You have to dig down through stuff to get to it. It’s demoralising to see happen, even here those 2 examples I’ve given sum it up for me.

My own point of view, I believe as a rich country we should ensure that no child will ever go hungry. It’s also Tory based austerity that has led to rising poverty and those families being unable to feel their children.  

Made front page of Mirror...but yeah, not much elsewhere. There is a lot going on though.

I agree that especially during this crisis when people are struggling they should make sure every child eats properly...it is not the fault of the child that they are in the circumstance they are in. But, I also think this country should just have a bigger, better welfare system like those wonderful anti maskers in Sweden.

[steviewevie]

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Cuz that’s the thing to focus on there isn’t it. You seemed to make a fuss over that scum comment yesterday yet have made no mention on Tories voting against free school meals for kids. I wonder why... 🤔

Let me be clear, the Tories voting against free school meals for kids is an absolute disgrace. Marcus Rashford, for someone clearly of a leftist persuasion, is an excellent role model for how people should act. Instead of delving into woke nonsense, he's identified an area where things need to change and came up with a very achievable policy that the government have chosen to ignore. It's a very strange hill for them to die on and it absolutely has cut through into those who don't normally follow politics, including people who are naturally Tory inclined voters. 

 

It's a bloody disgrace and there has very rightfully been an outcry about it.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Marcus Rashford, for someone clearly of a leftist persuasion, is an excellent role model for how people should act

There is no doubting of Rashfords acting ability. Just have to watch him any time he gets near a penalty area 

[DeanoL]

 

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

That’s a very good plan Imo.

 

I worry a lot of people would take the piss and attend multiple different 12 person gatherings with non exclusive bubbles. 

They would - and you have to account for some disobedience when you put the system in place. You can't enforce it, but you can't viably enforce rule of six in homes anyway, so the aim has to be to come up with a system that seems reasonable. Because if people think it's unreasonable they'll ignore all the rules anyway. Whereas if you have something that most people can live, that seems fair, then you'll get compliance from most people.