steviewevie Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Interesting article about superspreaders.. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/19/overdispersion-spreads-covid-transmission-virus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, foolee said: I thought this was a good little read. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-kills-but-so-does-lockdown In dodgy territory when we start taking anything that discredited "Prof" Karol Sikora says seriously. That's doubled down by being published in the Speccy. Hard right funded loon and very right leaning journal is not a good mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelarmy Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Copperface said: In dodgy territory when we start taking anything that discredited "Prof" Karol Sikora says seriously. That's doubled down by being published in the Speccy. Hard right funded loon and very right leaning journal is not a good mix. Especially when it’s been published at the same time as when the government is trying to push an anti lockdown message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Copperface said: In dodgy territory when we start taking anything that discredited "Prof" Karol Sikora says seriously. That's doubled down by being published in the Speccy. Hard right funded loon and very right leaning journal is not a good mix. but it is recognised that many people put off seeing a doctor or going into a hospital during first wave, and probably still do now, first because wanted to help protect NHS, and second because they might catch covid19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, steviewevie said: China https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/china-economy-covid-crisis-beijing I think you'll find that's pronounced 'CHINA!!!!!!!!!!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Homer said: I think you'll find that's pronounced 'CHINA!!!!!!!!!!' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said: Especially when it’s been published at the same time as when the government is trying to push an anti lockdown message. Yup. The links between the Spectator and the current cabal at the heart of government is a bit worrying. Johnson used to be editor, Carrie Symonds used to work there and dated Harry Coles, another writer there. The editor, Forsyth, is married to Allegra Stratton, the new No 10 Spokeswoman - their best man was Rishi Sunak. Charles Moore, the newly ennobled racist and homophobic old dinosaur is being put into place to be BBC chairman, is still a contributor, Dominic Cummings used to work there, Cummings' wife Mary Wakefield is the commissioning editor there and so on - little more than a hard right propaganda organ now. https://www.tatler.com/article/spectator-magazine-social-web-links-to-tory-cabinet Edited October 19, 2020 by Copperface 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Copperface said: Yup. The links between the Spectator and the current cabal at the heart of government is a bit worrying. Johnson used to be editor, Carrie Symonds used to work there and dated Harry Coles, another writer there. The editor, Forsyth, is married to Allegra Stratton, the new No 10 Spokeswoman - their best man was Rishi Sunak. Charles Moore, the newly ennobled racist and homophobic old dinosaur is being put into place to be BBC chairman, is still a contributor, Dominic Cummings used to work there, Cummings' wife Mary Wakefield is the commissioning editor there and so on - little more than a hard right propaganda organ now. https://www.tatler.com/article/spectator-magazine-social-web-links-to-tory-cabinet Factor in Andrew Neill who works for the Spectator and you can see how it’s all linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Copperface said: In dodgy territory when we start taking anything that discredited "Prof" Karol Sikora says seriously. That's doubled down by being published in the Speccy. Hard right funded loon and very right leaning journal is not a good mix. Perhaps but I know more people who have died of newly diagnosed cancer this year than covid. My own brother was given a cancer diagnosis on Thursday which they also think is terminal. We are awaiting on the results of a CT scan to confirm if he has any hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelarmy Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 So anything published by the spectator has been approved by the Tories. Even their few anti-Tory pieces must be a smokescreen for something else or an attempt to make it look impartial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Copperface said: Yup. The links between the Spectator and the current cabal at the heart of government is a bit worrying. Johnson used to be editor, Carrie Symonds used to work there and dated Harry Coles, another writer there. The editor, Forsyth, is married to Allegra Stratton, the new No 10 Spokeswoman - their best man was Rishi Sunak. Charles Moore, the newly ennobled racist and homophobic old dinosaur is being put into place to be BBC chairman, is still a contributor, Dominic Cummings used to work there, Cummings' wife Mary Wakefield is the commissioning editor there and so on - little more than a hard right propaganda organ now. https://www.tatler.com/article/spectator-magazine-social-web-links-to-tory-cabinet I only found out the other day that Arron Banks' wife is Russian and was suspected of being a spy. You coudn't make this shizzle up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said: So anything published by the spectator has been approved by the Tories. Even their few anti-Tory pieces must be a smokescreen for something else or an attempt to make it look impartial I'd just keep an eye on the difference between anti-Tory and anti-Johnson. Said before that Johnson is outliving his usefulness. When you've got Spectator, Telegraph and Mail articles getting critical it's not going to be a case of them shifting their allegiance; it's all about who they've got an eye on waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, gigpusher said: Perhaps but I know more people who have died of newly diagnosed cancer this year than covid. My own brother was given a cancer diagnosis on Thursday which they also think is terminal. We are awaiting on the results of a CT scan to confirm if he has any hope. Awful news. Sorry to hear that and I hope the scan shows that it's less advanced than feared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEGABOWL Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, foolee said: I thought this was a good little read. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-kills-but-so-does-lockdown I don’t always agree with Sikora and some will (sadly) dismiss it because it’s him but that’s a very good read with a lot of good points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 18000 cases and 122 deaths, HUGE for a Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said: So anything published by the spectator has been approved by the Tories. Even their few anti-Tory pieces must be a smokescreen for something else or an attempt to make it look impartial From what I can see, anything that is published or posted anywhere that slightly dissents against the chosen line of public opinion is ignored or dismissed without question. It is quite depressing how discussion is shut down immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace56blaa Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: 18000 cases and 122 deaths, HUGE for a Monday Where's 122 deaths from, says 80 on the gov website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, ace56blaa said: Where's 122 deaths from, says 80 on the gov website? I was just about to post the screen shot, so thanks mate. We might as well have the full, accurate numbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolee Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, Copperface said: In dodgy territory when we start taking anything that discredited "Prof" Karol Sikora says seriously. That's doubled down by being published in the Speccy. Hard right funded loon and very right leaning journal is not a good mix. 44 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said: Especially when it’s been published at the same time as when the government is trying to push an anti lockdown message. Personally think it's worth a read and makes some really good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Awful news. Sorry to hear that and I hope the scan shows that it's less advanced than feared. Thanks. Me too as if it is imminently terminal I'll never get to see him again (He's in Ireland and I'm in soon to be a tier 3 area!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, ace56blaa said: Where's 122 deaths from, says 80 on the gov website? 80 is correct, I must still be hungover from the weekend. 122 is the rolling average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, gigpusher said: Thanks. Me too as if it is imminently terminal I'll never get to see him again (He's in Ireland and I'm in soon to be a tier 3 area!) Isn't a situation like that an exception to the rules? Hopefully there are some people you can speak to about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, foolee said: I thought this was a good little read. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-kills-but-so-does-lockdown It's not "deaths from COVID" vs "deaths from lockdown" though. There's an entire third category that is "deaths from not locking down". We've not had any of those because we have been doing the lockdown thing. But it's a hugely incorrect assumption to make that the only deaths as a result of letting COVID-19 spread through the population would just be the deaths caused by COVID-19 itself. Especially as the more endemic it was, the less likely people would go to a doctor or hospital anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Isn't a situation like that an exception to the rules? Hopefully there are some people you can speak to about that. No even my family who are local haven't been able to visit him in hospital since he got his diagnosis. They can drop stuff out to him but not go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2020 Report Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, gigpusher said: No even my family who are local haven't been able to visit him in hospital since he got his diagnosis. They can drop stuff out to him but not go in. Jesus, that's some awful shit that. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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