When will this shit end?

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

You tell me what the exit strategy is then?

 

It can’t be herd immunity.

 

It can’t be a vaccine.

 

 

Hancock (yeah, I know) said the strategy was a vaccine, just the other day.

You make up your own facts about vaccines.  

[squirrelarmy]

Just now, steviewevie said:

you know...I'm still not sure what rules was for Manchester before this Tier2...were we allowed to meet other households in a pub?

In Leeds which had the same restrictions as Manchester we could meet other households in the pub as long as it was a maximum of 6 people. 
 

Now we have to meet outdoors but still the same household rules apply. 
 

There are exceptions for support bubbles and being in an established relationship. Although there are no definitions of what an established relationship actually is. 

[DeanoL]

4 minutes ago, st dan said:

It will end when people just stop complying. Which is a number of months away (at max).

But they'll start complying again the minute hospitals actually do get full and start turning people away, and once the first footage of dead bodies on the streets turned up.

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Or actually you’ll just need to form relationships through virtual dating until you move in together? 

You're being ridiculous now and it's tough as you could have a point, more broadly speaking. Obviously, we are going to be allowed to have visitors in our homes and see our families again. That's silly. But if you were say "we'll never legally have mosh pits again" I'd be forced to say, yeah maybe. It could genuinely be the end of sweaty, cramped in standing gigs. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Come on. Everyone is down enough as it is. If youre trolling, give it a rest

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Hancock (yeah, I know) said the strategy was a vaccine, just the other day.

You make up your own facts about vaccines.  

Our own resident vaccine specialist tells us vaccines cannot be 100% effective. 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Still, think Burnham is fine with his current stance. He can say they forced it on the city without enough money to mitigate the worse

it's not the forcing-on that might be the problem. It might be not-forcing-on, meaning the infection rate get worse, and Burnham is blamed for the deaths. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

24 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Also. When youre 70 plus six months is not a small chunk of the remainder of your life. If youre 19-20 , you've got many many more 6 months when this has run its course to live life to the full.

Agree with this. It's also not just the old who fall into the vulnerable category. Many younger vulnerable people work, have families etc. My friend is very vulnerable and has three kids in school, plus is in hospital several times a week. How are people like that supposed to stay locked away so everyone else can crack on? Apart from the fact that it's a horrible thing to expect of a whole section of society.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Our own resident vaccine specialist tells us vaccines cannot be 100% effective. 

who knew?  

That's been the case all along, yet those vaccine peeps still think a vaccine is a game changer. 

Which means you've obviously missed something somewhere as you think it's not.

[Ozanne]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Come on. Everyone is down enough as it is. If youre trolling, give it a rest

I really agree with this. He has to be trolling at this stage, which given the circumstance is really unfair on everyone. 

[mcshed]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Our own resident vaccine specialist tells us vaccines cannot be 100% effective. 

They don't need to be 100% effective just as a tiny amount of the reinfection doesn't mean we can't develop heard immunity. 

The idea that we will just stay in our homes forever is ridiculous and you know it is.

[Fuzzy Afro]

4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

But they'll start complying again the minute hospitals actually do get full and start turning people away, and once the first footage of dead bodies on the streets turned up.

You're being ridiculous now and it's tough as you could have a point, more broadly speaking. Obviously, we are going to be allowed to have visitors in our homes and see our families again. That's silly. But if you were say "we'll never legally have mosh pits again" I'd be forced to say, yeah maybe. It could genuinely be the end of sweaty, cramped in standing gigs. 

You obviously have a hell of a lot more trust in our government than I do 

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

But they'll start complying again the minute hospitals actually do get full and start turning people away, and once the first footage of dead bodies on the streets turned up.

You're being ridiculous now and it's tough as you could have a point, more broadly speaking. Obviously, we are going to be allowed to have visitors in our homes and see our families again. That's silly. But if you were say "we'll never legally have mosh pits again" I'd be forced to say, yeah maybe. It could genuinely be the end of sweaty, cramped in standing gigs. 

The thing is we can go to other houses, in Tier 1 it’s allowed.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, mcshed said:

They don't need to be 100% effective just as a tiny amount of the reinfection doesn't mean we can't develop heard immunity. 

The idea that we will just stay in our homes forever is ridiculous and you know it is.

I hope it’s ridiculous for sure....

 

Say you give a 50% effective vaccine to 50% of the population though, that’s only 25% of people protected 

[Fuzzy Afro]

I reckon there’s a 40% chance Boris caves and does a circuit breaker 

[Havors]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm sure it has been considered here and in most countries round the world...but obviously the numbers that would die is unacceptable.

I love how sure you are knowing how this government is and how they do things.....  They ignore the small amount of scientists they employ never mind the hundred of experts that suggested the different course of action. 

Like I said its all politics now.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Say you give a 50% effective vaccine to 50% of the population though, that’s only 25% of people protected 

plus the extra protection of less people able to spread it about.

The UK govt doesn't intend to vaccinate everyone anyway, just the vulnerable and health workers.

Which means they've already accepted covid being active within the population when normality returns.

Edited October 16, 2020 by eFestivals

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I hope it’s ridiculous for sure....

 

Say you give a 50% effective vaccine to 50% of the population though, that’s only 25% of people protected 

As long as the vulnerable are part of the 50% of the vaccine then that’s a good step in reducing the amount of deaths and serious illnesses. 
 

Those people who don’t have the underlying health conditions have managed to beat the virus on the most part although there have been some rare exceptions where they haven’t. 
 

There isn’t a 100% fix for this virus. It’s all about reducing the danger for as many people as possible. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, eFestivals said:

plus the extra protection of less people able to spread it about.

The UK govt doesn't intend to vaccinate everyone anyway, just the vulnerable and health workers.

Which means they've already accepted covid being active within the population when normality returns.

Which, in turn, means we will never be allowed to meet people again 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, squirrelarmy said:

As long as the vulnerable are part of the 50% of the vaccine then that’s a good step in reducing the amount of deaths and serious illnesses. 
 

Those people who don’t have the underlying health conditions have managed to beat the virus on the most part although there have been some rare exceptions where they haven’t. 
 

There isn’t a 100% fix for this virus. It’s all about reducing the danger for as many people as possible. 

But that’s still 50% of the vulnerable who are not protected, so restrictions would be needed unless we accept that some old people will die? 

[squirrelarmy]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Which, in turn, means we will never be allowed to meet people again 

Ever heard of these things called optimism and positivity? 

[mcshed]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I hope it’s ridiculous for sure....

 

Say you give a 50% effective vaccine to 50% of the population though, that’s only 25% of people protected 

Anything that improves the background level of immunity slows transmission. So if you've 25% from a vaccine and 25% from prior infection that's a big chunk of the population that it can't spread through. Including a big chunk of the most vulnerable as they will be the priority for the vaccine at which point the more drastic measures don't make sense.

I suspect a fair number of people will keep wearing masks permanently and you'll see more hand sanitizing stations than you used to but by 2022 we will be back to something very like normal no matter what happens between now and then.

[PolygonWindow]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Which, in turn, means we will never be allowed to meet people again 

never be allowed to meet people again 😂 behave

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Which, in turn, means we will never be allowed to meet people again 

How the hell do you get that from what he said? Absolutely convinced you're just on a  windup now.

[mcshed]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Which, in turn, means we will never be allowed to meet people again 

No it doesn't.

[steviewevie]

Just now, Havors said:

I love how sure you are knowing how this government is and how they do things.....  They ignore the small amount of scientists they employ never mind the hundred of experts that suggested the different course of action. 

Like I said its all politics now.

Well back in March they were briefing about herd immunity and shelding older people...and then the lot from Imperial college and other sage types told govt that could be hundreds of thousands dead with this strategy so they quickly went for full lockdown.

And then not long ago when working on strategies for this 2nd wave they had Carl Heneghan and Anders Tegnell advising them as well as other scientists...and still didn't go down the let it rip and shield the vulnerable route.

Nowhere has done it. Politics or not.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

How the hell do you get that from what he said? Absolutely convinced you're just on a  windup now.

No, I’m just terrified of never seeing my dad again