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Just now, zahidf said:

yup! i do wonder if thats true

The cases arent great, but the schools breaking up and Euros being over should get things down

Who knows, Johnson probably doesn’t even know really. He’s clueless.

I just think it’s a perfect storm for spread of the virus with the impacts of the Final being seen from next week and full relaxation. Hopefully I’m wrong but it’s worrying!

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1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Where else are they going to shop ?
 

I would imagine many will not wear masks.  There is a difference between a request and a mandate.

I guess home delivery is the option and one I’d have liked everyone that is unable to wear them or chooses not to  or get someone who can to shop for them …. I think that isn’t too unreasonable  … and actually it’s very true like that post further up … there are very few people that can’t wear them for short periods of time 

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2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The actual vs SAGE scenarios on there is good though. Better off that the optimistic predictions.

Fingers well and truely crossed for chunks of luck, cos we need them.

I know the answer to this but honestly if he was anywhere near a decent leader and he truly thought things didn’t look for reopening on Monday then he should postpone it and think screw the political fallout. But he’s not a decent leader and will only think of his and his Party’s power.

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55 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Well I wasn't referring to everyone - I was referring to @crazyfool1 who throughout has taken a very cautious tone.

There is a whole rainbow of opinion out there.  I do wear masks keep in mind.  I do actually distance as much as possible still (I think this is more effective) and I have taken the vaccine.

I wouldn't say - from a balance perspective - I am actually all the gungho. 

I don't actually think I am right and he is wrong.  But I think people could be a bit more honest with their thoughts - both short term and long term.

Yeah just been for a swim after completing my risk assessment … saw an empty pool so dived on in … other joined so I put a mask on and swum the rest under water … the hazmat suit is an absolute nightmare though 

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2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Likewise the very few people who can't take the vaccine can exercise the same option.

Of course they can and they more than likely are and quite a few million shut themselves away during the early stages of this … to prevent the nhs from overwhelming … it would be nice if they felt a bit of protection from society whilst doing a food shop though … and if they can’t wear a face cover then the same applies to them 

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Just now, Barry Fish said:

They got a lot of protection when the whole of society shut down for them and the NHS.  They are welcome.

 

Ah so now we just don’t bother  to do something that’s very simple for their benefit … and everyone else’s ? 

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20 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I know the answer to this but honestly if he was anywhere near a decent leader and he truly thought things didn’t look for reopening on Monday then he should postpone it and think screw the political fallout. But he’s not a decent leader and will only think of his and his Party’s power.

Yeah I agree with this - this much was clear from the guidance last night being no different from the law.

But then we're in a bit of a situation now where even staying still isn't really going to bring cases down, we'd need to go backwards. But at least staying still could keep us steady. 

Opening up pretty much risks him having to actually lock down fully again, and surely politically that's worse than delaying even if we're expecting it?

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Well my diabetes annual review is going to be interesting they are going to conduct my foot check over the phone ?after I’ve gone in and done bloods  I do wonder if there is really any point in it … but I’ll let them tick it off … No sense of a return to normal there … yet I had a face to face consultant appointment a few months back … the lack of consistency is what I find odd 

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21 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Yeah I agree with this - this much was clear from the guidance last night being no different from the law.

But then we're in a bit of a situation now where even staying still isn't really going to bring cases down, we'd need to go backwards. But at least staying still could keep us steady. 

Opening up pretty much risks him having to actually lock down fully again, and surely politically that's worse than delaying even if we're expecting it?

but his backbenchers would vote against further delay, right? Assuming they get a vote on this, not sure how it all works. He can rely on labour votes of course, but he'd then be very unpopular with his own MPs which could be the beginning of the end for Johnson. Don't get me wrong, he's a twat, but I think he was kind of stuck with this.

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Just now, steviewevie said:

but his backbenchers would vote against further delay, right? Assuming they get a vote on this, not sure how it all works. He can rely on labour votes of course, but he'd then be very unpopular with his own MPs which could be the beginning of the end for Johnson. Don't get me wrong, he's a twat, but I think he was kind of stuck with this.

The backbenchers allowed one delay from June. Another one isn't going to be possible politically 

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1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Do they get a vote on each delay?

They were granted a vote on the roadmap to pacify them even though there was no requirement for a vote.

The roadmap is separate from the Coronavirus Regs which are enacted under the Coronavirus Act, up for ministerial review in September (they can vote on it but it's non binding). Either all measures are passed or it is repealed, but that is unlikely because it provides a lot of admin stuff that helps the NHS and other measures.

A lot of the main restrictions are enacted by Ministerial Direction under the PH(CD) Act 84  and they are not voted on (this includes national bans on mass gatherings, for example) - the only thing that happens is that the Health Sec has to regularly review and judge whether they are still necessary to assist is a public health context. 

They could quite easily follow the roadmap but retain the restrictions under the PH(CD)A and claim that they have enacted the roadmap.

Feel like I'm back in August last year!

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1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

I know the answer to this but honestly if he was anywhere near a decent leader and he truly thought things didn’t look for reopening on Monday then he should postpone it and think screw the political fallout. But he’s not a decent leader and will only think of his and his Party’s power.

Tory leaders always put Party first. It’s one of the things that makes them so good at winning elections.

Whereas a lot of the Labour Party seem to absolutely hate it. 

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2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

They were granted a vote on the roadmap to pacify them even though there was no requirement for a vote.

The roadmap is separate from the Coronavirus Regs which are enacted under the Coronavirus Act, up for ministerial review in September (they can vote on it but it's non binding). Either all measures are passed or it is repealed, but that is unlikely because it provides a lot of admin stuff that helps the NHS and other measures.

A lot of the main restrictions are enacted by Ministerial Direction under the PH(CD) Act 84  and they are not voted on (this includes national bans on mass gatherings, for example) - the only thing that happens is that the Health Sec has to regularly review and judge whether they are still necessary to assist is a public health context. 

They could quite easily follow the roadmap but retain the restrictions under the PH(CD)A and claim that they have enacted the roadmap.

Feel like I'm back in August last year!

errr..ok...thanks!

So, basically they could debate etc., but there wouldn't be a vote. but again there would be a lot of unhappy MPs blubbing on about liberty and stuff. Also...at heart Bojo is a libertarian, right? He certainly was against the smoking ban when that was happening, and he is against a tax on high fat/sugar food now. Just wish he'd hurry up and legalise drugs. And so is Javid, loves reading right wing libertarian porn The Fountainhead apparently. So, this stuff is not easy for them, goes against their core principles.

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13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

From the telegraph...

Screenshot 2021-07-15 17.41.50.png

No surprise that the mostly hard right wing readers of the Tory Graph want to ditch their masks - most care only about themselves and their bank balances.

A survey done yesterday with no political affiliation found 73% would still wear it as they are now and were more than happy to do so.

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8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

errr..ok...thanks!

So, basically they could debate etc., but there wouldn't be a vote. but again there would be a lot of unhappy MPs blubbing on about liberty and stuff. Also...at heart Bojo is a libertarian, right? He certainly was against the smoking ban when that was happening, and he is against a tax on high fat/sugar food now. Just wish he'd hurry up and legalise drugs. And so is Javid, loves reading right wing libertarian porn The Fountainhead apparently. So, this stuff is not easy for them, goes against their core principles.

50 Tory MPs wrote  a letter DEMANDING an end to all restrictions on the same day they all voted to stop peaceful protests from being legal.

They want their liberties but don't want the population to have those that might hurt Tories.

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44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

..at heart Bojo is a libertarian, right? He certainly was against the smoking ban when that was happening, and he is against a tax on high fat/sugar food now. 

Ah yes......sugar.

Wonder why that might be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57852513

https://www.farminguk.com/news/-disgraceful-foreign-sugar-company-sponsors-conservative-conference_47544.html

There it is:

https://vip.politicsmeanspolitics.com/2019/09/25/daydream-belizers-brexit-big-sugar-and-the-bad-boys-from-belize/

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1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

Yeah I agree with this - this much was clear from the guidance last night being no different from the law.

But then we're in a bit of a situation now where even staying still isn't really going to bring cases down, we'd need to go backwards. But at least staying still could keep us steady. 

Opening up pretty much risks him having to actually lock down fully again, and surely politically that's worse than delaying even if we're expecting it?

It is worse but he isn’t pragmatic like that, he only sees the issue immediately in front of him so can’t understand a potential problem 2 months down the line. 

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2 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

Pub near me is officially going to use Covid passports, I do wonder if they'll all eventually be forced into doing it 

I honestly think the only way to open up "irreversibly" is to do this 

But to only make it vaccine proof - self reporting tests won't work. Still would on principle never use vaccine only proof but most would and I think its the only way 

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