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3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Reality depends on where you look. You won't normally find me in Manchester or any busy place, because I'm still generally avoiding them to do what I can to get this bloody thing to actually finish - rather than sticking my fingers in my ears and declaring it's over because I, like, really, really want it to be. It's not quite there yet.

We all want it to be over. I went out to Bristol last night for a works social. I didn't really want to go but I was expected to. Lots of anticipation on my part but OMG it was great to see people in real life rather than on a screen. Hugs at the end too. 

No regrets, we are human and need social contact. 

There is a lot of grey area that we live in between 'declaring it's over' and being 'not quite there yet' much of it filled with frustration and worry. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

To be clear, I wasn't trying to criticize people like @danmarks' daughter with that post. This fucking virus is shit. 

Never thought that at all but thankyou. And its ok to not agree on everything. Youve always been a reasoned voice. I wouldn't think any different just cos im dealing with shit but thankyou again 

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4 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Yep that a discussion to me. Different opinions but no biggy if that makes sense. Conversation not shouty tome. But seriously thankyou. 

Yeah that makes sense mate. I hope everything works out for you guys.

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20 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Thankyou all. Wasn't going to post but bit of a mess obviously. 

And just want people to know there's a human cost to every decision x

Something that quite a few on here would do well to remember. 
 

Not everything is as binary as restrictions save lives and must stay in place, and not everyone that wants restrictions gone ASAP just want to stop wearing masks and stand at the bar in a pub. 

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12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I am actually for the first time getting really really worried.  A delay to spring surely can't be the actual option they will go for ?  There will be nothing left to reopen.  The entire economy will collapse unless we are going to print money like nothing ever seen before and then we can enjoy hyper inflation like no one has ever seen before.

I've expected this the whole way - though I didn't genuinely think it'd actually happen until now also 

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4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think life will start to feel much more normal here in a month or so, but this shit isn't over for a while yet.

I think late summer will be the best position we've been in during the whole pandemic, I'll be interested to see how it ends up within the autumn/winter though but I do think we'll see significant easings from thr 19th July 

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Just now, Ozanne said:

I don't mean to sound difficult but why is a Spring delay being thought of? I might have missed a few posts tbf.

Because we can't relax things now because the data isn't conclusive.

Because we can't relax things in a month or two because that's when the Holidays start and all the socialising that goes along with that.

Because we can't relax things in September because the Schools and Universities go back.

Because we can't relax things in October-February because it's getting into winter.

Because some people seem to believe in a mythical "right" time to do this and think if they wait long enough it'll eventually arrive without causing any manner of other problems. Then when Spring comes around there'll be another bullshit reason.

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Boris needs to get his head out of his arse and start listening. 
 

Jab jab jab for 5 weeks and end all restrictions come what may.
We cannot go on like this or society will crumble if this carries on until spring.
The arts, hospitality and travel industries will be decimated. Non elite sports clubs will be perilously close to going out of business. All resulting in mass unemployment and an even bigger mental health crisis than we’re already faced with. 
 

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Just now, incident said:

Because we can't relax things now because the data isn't conclusive.

Because we can't relax things in a month or two because that's when the Holidays start and all the socialising that goes along with that.

Because we can't relax things in September because the Schools and Universities go back.

Because we can't relax things in October-February because it's getting into winter.

Because some people seem to believe in a mythical "right" time to do this and think if they wait long enough it'll eventually arrive without causing any manner of other problems. Then when Spring comes around there'll be another bullshit reason.

I think by the end of July (or even the summer at the very latest) we'll be in a much better position and we'll definitely be unlocking by then. 2nd doses have such a good impact that we shouldn't see a burden on the NHS. I really think all we need to do is 2nd dose as many as possible and we'll be fine.

Also Tory MPs probably won't let Johnson extend till Spring.

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29 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Reality depends on where you look. You won't normally find me in Manchester or any busy place, because I'm still generally avoiding them to do what I can to get this bloody thing to actually finish - rather than sticking my fingers in my ears and declaring it's over because I, like, really, really want it to be. It's not quite there yet.

I’m young and losing my 20s to this.

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23 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Reality is reality...  What I am seeing is the cricket and football stands with people hugging and kissing.  Trains with people without masks.  And the odd nutter walking in a park in the open air with a mask (my guess is this is the person who does the polls)

This cricket is surely crucial? If 18,000 pissed up lads bellowing En-ger-land for 8 hours a day for 4 days on the trot, doesn't spread covid, then surely we're safe to open up other (outdoor, at least) events?

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Just now, Ozanne said:

I think by the end of July (or even the summer at the very latest) we'll be in a much better position and we'll definitely be unlocking by then. 2nd doses have such a good impact that we shouldn't see a burden on the NHS. I really think all we need to do is 2nd dose as many as possible and we'll be fine.

Also Tory MPs probably won't let Johnson extend till Spring.

But what about the new Romanian/Argentinian/Middlesborough variants? What about the 2-5% who'll refuse vaccination long term? There's always going to be another reason to stay locked down.

It's true that the further into vaccinations we get, the better the position we'll be in - but that ignores the fact that we're in a fantastic position to unlock already. Nationally we're still tracking well below the models for "best case scenario", and all of the places that have been hit with rising infections due to Delta - some of them for over six weeks now - so far have only had a manageable hit on the NHS and measurably far lower than in previous waves. If we can't justify it now, then a few weeks won't provide that extra justification - it'll either be a case of "well we still can't", or "well, we really could have done it in June".

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3 minutes ago, incident said:

But what about the new Romanian/Argentinian/Middlesborough variants? What about the 2-5% who'll refuse vaccination long term? There's always going to be another reason to stay locked down.

It's true that the further into vaccinations we get, the better the position we'll be in - but that ignores the fact that we're in a fantastic position to unlock already. Nationally we're still tracking well below the models for "best case scenario", and all of the places that have been hit with rising infections due to Delta - some of them for over six weeks now - so far have only had a manageable hit on the NHS and measurably far lower than in previous waves. If we can't justify it now, then a few weeks won't provide that extra justification - it'll either be a case of "well we still can't", or "well, we really could have done it in June".

True there will be potential for further variants but as I say nearly every adult will be fully vaccinated soon so the argument will fall away. I could well be wrong but I genuinely think restrictions will stop (with possible exception of masks/WFH guidance) soon!

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Feel gutted for all of the business owners who were struggling to stay afloat that have made orders, bought stock and employed staff ready for the 21st. I imagine a few businesses will go under as a result of this, especially with the uncertainty about whether it’ll just be one delay or not. 

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2 minutes ago, faymondo said:

Somebody just sent me this. Mad times we live in. I think were are staying as we are until Spring. 

 

 

Staying as we are would be an achievement if the current numbers are a worry 

We're supposed to find a way to live with 10-15,000 deaths per year from this thing like flu...but everyone seems to think the vaccines mean nobody will die from it 

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15 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You would of thought so - yes.

I was discussing this with my mates in the queue for record store day this morning: if this Edgbaston test doesn't prove to be a super spreader event, I'd be seriously pissed off if End of the road festival is cancelled in September. I know it's a bit selfish, but it's my last hope to save my summer from utter fucking boredom!

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2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

True there will be potential for further variants but as I say nearly every adult will be fully vaccinated soon so the argument will fall away. I could well be wrong but I genuinely think restrictions will stop (with possible exception of masks/WFH guidance) soon!

Why delay, then?

The data suggests that some areas (Bolton, Bedford, Blackburn) have had rising cases due to Delta since mid-late April, which should have given us more than enough time to asses the impact. The increase in hospital numbers has been tiny - a literal fraction of what was seen in previous waves when vaccines weren't widely available to at risk groups.

Why is there seemingly a belief that unlocking now is going to produce a worse result than we've seen in these "early adopter" areas? Especially as we're now 6+ weeks further into the vaccine programme than they were. Yes, it's a small sample size and may not scale so the shit could still hit the fan nationally - but at this point that looks very unlikely.

Remember - the test we're supposed to be measuring this against is "unsustainable pressure on the NHS". I've yet to see anyone credibly suggest there's a likely risk of that - the argument seems to be that because it theoretically could happen (which is true), we should be cautious just in case (which is bollocks).

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22 minutes ago, faymondo said:

Somebody just sent me this. Mad times we live in. I think were are staying as we are until Spring. 

 

 

 

That's basically my workplace right now, summed up in that clip. We even, officially, call it the Theatre of Cleaning. We've formally acknowledged it's bullshit but we have to plough on with it

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