When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

12 minutes ago, balthazarstarbuck said:

Still early doors, and numbers are still so low they could still be rounding errors, but not great numbers today. Guess we’ll have a better idea this time next week.

The overall numbers are flat. Keep an eye on numbers rather than panic stations numbers 

[Andre91]

Just had my first vaccination 😄 

Also, thanks to you who replied about my Stuttgart question yesterday! Very helpful. 

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[zahidf]

 

 

 

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[Ozanne]

Covid: Royal Bolton hospital taking 'urgent action' over virus https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57242368

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Ryan1984 said:

I think there will be some leeway/sympathy for him in March as it was all new and no one really knew what was going on (albeit we had the spoilers from Italy).
 

Last autumn and winter, however, when he refused to lock down over half-term, seemingly out of spite that Starmer asked him to consider it, and then the planned free-for-all over Christmas when selfish idiots were gleefully travelling across tiers on holidays and the like while the virus raged, will be interesting. Feels like Cummings’ long and boring Twitter thread has arrived at this period just in time for tomorrow.

Back in March there was about 10 days between the scientists telling Johnson we need to lock down and Johnson announcing the lockdown...and those 10 days meant a lot of deaths.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Back in March there was about 10 days between the scientists telling Johnson we need to lock down and Johnson announcing the lockdown...and those 10 days meant a lot of deaths.

They really did. I get that situation was evolving very fast and was probably quite confusing but he’s the PM, elected to make these decisions in a prompt manner to help save lives. Sadly he wasn’t able to effectively analyse all the information/advice he was given and as a result the pandemic started as it did here in the U.K.

[Crazyfool01]

22 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

This is completely rewriting the facts to suit your agenda. 
 

Scotland had a circuit breaker lockdown a month before ours and guess what, they ended up back in a long full lockdown. (They also had to extend the circuit breaker because it wasn’t working) 
Wales had a circuit breaker lockdown 2 weeks before ours and guess what, they ended up back in a long full lockdown. 
 

So the idea that it would have worked and Starmer was right is complete and utter bullshit. 

 

so forgetting the length of the lockdown .... do you not believe earlier lockdowns would have saved a lot of lives ?

[steviewevie]

Hyde on Cummings

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/25/dominic-cummings-tosser-hand-grenades-hardman-privilege-power

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

so forgetting the length of the lockdown .... do you not believe earlier lockdowns would have saved a lot of lives ?

It looks like that is the case.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-lockdown-deaths-england-b1778171.html%3famp

[zahidf]

 

[zahidf]

 

[rivalschools.price]

8 hours ago, TheSheriff said:

Page has got them in the training camp in Portugal this week to put them through their paces... Also wonder if they are waiting til after the play off final to see if Roberts and Cabango come through unscathed

Yeah, James in Europa final too

[steviewevie]

 

[BobWillis2]

52 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

so forgetting the length of the lockdown .... do you not believe earlier lockdowns would have saved a lot of lives ?

The idea is that Starmer was a knight in shining armour and his circuit breaker would have saved the country. That’s simply not true. 
 

Of course a full national lockdown from far earlier would have saved covid lives but it’s not as black and white as that. Lockdowns have serious economical, social, health and mental health consequences that will be felt far longer than the effects of the virus. Something that sage and the government were trying to balance as much as possible. Nobody could have foreseen the Kent variant happening when it did and as quickly as it did. 
 

The real crux of the problem will always be the early advice from sage being completely wrong, once the cat is out of the bag it’s near on impossible to get it back in without going full China and welding people into their homes until it stops circulating. 

If sage had got it right from day 1 we wouldn’t be in this mess.  
The government made many, many mistakes along the way and without a doubt cost lives but to insinuate they are the only government that would have made mistakes is patently wrong. The devolved nations had the power to do things differently and all got it wrong in some way too. 

[august1]

finally let me in to book my vaccine, 9 day wait though!

[Ozanne]

The Kent variant was discovered in September yet Johnson didn’t lockdown till November. Then allowed the Christmas mixing to go ahead and sent kids back to school for 1 day. I don’t think the excuse of the new Kent variant gives Johnson and his government a get out of jail free card. 

[Crazyfool01]

how more transmissible did the kent variant turn out to be in the end ? alternative sage keeps getting dismissed for worst case scenarios on how transmissible new variants are ..... how much effect was down to the variant and how much was down to the sheer amount of covid circulating approaching winter ?

[Ozanne]

15 minutes ago, august1 said:

finally let me in to book my vaccine, 9 day wait though!

Congrats! The 9 days will go quickly. 

[ace56blaa]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

how more transmissible did the kent variant turn out to be in the end ? alternative sage keeps getting dismissed for worst case scenarios on how transmissible new variants are ..... how much effect was down to the variant and how much was down to the sheer amount of covid circulating approaching winter ?

1.5 times more transmissible https://www.newscientist.com/definition/uk-covid-19-variant-b-1-1-7/

[Crazyfool01]

48 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

The idea is that Starmer was a knight in shining armour and his circuit breaker would have saved the country. That’s simply not true.

no but doing what he said would have saved lives in the short term 

49 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

The government made many, many mistakes along the way and without a doubt cost lives but to insinuate they are the only government that would have made mistakes is patently wrong. The devolved nations had the power to do things differently and all got it wrong in some way too

Lots of govts made mistakes it just seems like ours kept repeating the same mistake for everything they did  and thats the issue .... late and delays for nearly everything apart from vaccine procurement which obviously they get credit for 

[thewayiam]

First vaccine all done.

[efcfanwirral]

57 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

how more transmissible did the kent variant turn out to be in the end ? alternative sage keeps getting dismissed for worst case scenarios on how transmissible new variants are ..... how much effect was down to the variant and how much was down to the sheer amount of covid circulating approaching winter ?

Yeah I don't believe that we'd have avoided this situation with the original variant- January and beyond would surely have looked exactly the same with a Christmas free for all.  We were always screwed in winter but very few believed it til it happened 

[Toilet Duck]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Yeah I don't believe that we'd have avoided this situation with the original variant- January and beyond would surely have looked exactly the same with a Christmas free for all.  We were always screwed in winter but very few believed it til it happened 

The third wave in Ireland probably lends some support to this idea. We went from the lowest case rate in Europe when we opened up in December to the highest in the world by early January...but B117 was only about 10% of those cases (deduced by a combination of sequencing and using s-gene dropout in the PCR tests as a proxy). Over the next month, it replaced the massive number of cases due to the original variant and became the predominant one, adding fuel to an already pretty big fire, but the initial wave wasn’t as a result of higher transmission, rather it was down to more indoor mixing. The main impact of the rise of B117 was the longer duration of disease, so it took a lot more time to clear our hospitals compared to wave 1 (wave 2 was suppressed with quick action in September). 

[steviewevie]

Lock him up

[jparx]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Lock him up

I hope Cummings has more, because even this doesn’t sound like the death knell. We’re at the point now where I think quite a few people will actually nod along and agree with him, as happened with the bodies piling up comment.