efcfanwirral Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, zahidf said: This is where my head has been at for ages - non socially distanced events were never realistic this year, but I think they did right letting them announce, sell tickets etc to get the money in to at least save those that can be saved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgey123 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: September / October is being suggested for the app. Exactly, so how can we go back to normal by 21 June and then say oh wait actually, never mind the fact you’ve not needed it for 3 months, but now we need these passports to keep it this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgey123 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said: This is where my head has been at for ages - non socially distanced events were never realistic this year, but I think they did right letting them announce, sell tickets etc to get the money in to at least save those that can be saved Not convinced by this logic - are you saying the government knowingly let huge numbers of people (who let’s not forget after the past year a large portion of which will not be financially secure themselves) waste some money to prop up some struggling industries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: And while pubs, shops and restaurants will be allowed to reopen indoor areas without them on May 17, they may be forced to introduce them later. Not necessarily forced night choose to use them same as they'd chhooseto ban the troublesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, hodgey123 said: Exactly, so how can we go back to normal by 21 June and then say oh wait actually, never mind the fact you’ve not needed it for 3 months, but now we need these passports to keep it this way? We won't and never were going as far as the live events - to most people it will be normal minus their foreign holidays, which is a bit of an easier sell with variants. Its just us who like events that it won't be normal for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hodgey123 said: Not convinced by this logic - are you saying the government knowingly let huge numbers of people (who let’s not forget after the past year a large portion of which will not be financially secure themselves) waste some money to prop up some struggling industries? Maybe not knowingly, but by hinting that they might be allowed against all logic and evidence at the time) it's helped Wait until they tell us its our patrotic duty to go out and spend in May - we'll see how much they care about people's financial state then! Edited April 3, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, Barry Fish said: Yup - nothing decided - yet some of these twitter threads are acting like its decided. Its beenbrifeduout of goves office tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 By mid/late summer most people will have been vaccinated and we won't need vaccine passports to go to a pub. Until then I expect they will need to keep social distancing in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgey123 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, steviewevie said: By mid/late summer most people will have been vaccinated and we won't need vaccine passports to go to a pub. Until then I expect they will need to keep social distancing in place. The government knew this when giving a date of 21 June by which all restrictions - including social distancing - would be lifted. Why would they change this now to social distancing unless we have vaccine passports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Yeah - but if you read the detail - its not really saying much concrete. It's not been signed off by Spaffer it's just goves ideas at the mo its not likely to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, hodgey123 said: The government knew this when giving a date of 21 June by which all restrictions - including social distancing - would be lifted. Why would they change this now to social distancing unless we have vaccine passports? maybe they lied? maybe I'm wrong? maybe things change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, hodgey123 said: Exactly, so how can we go back to normal by 21 June and then say oh wait actually, never mind the fact you’ve not needed it for 3 months, but now we need these passports to keep it this way? Because they don't actually help keep you safe and have never been about keeping you safe? Surely if it was about keeping you safe it would also be needed for gyms, supermarkets, non essential shops, public transport basically everywhere - but it seemingly isn't going to be needed for everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, steviewevie said: maybe they lied? maybe I'm wrong? maybe things change? maybe they hoped everyone would have been vaccinated by mid June? Maybe they still will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, steviewevie said: showing your age a bit there... Yep. Top 40 and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, Barry Fish said: Have you read the detail ? Read the telegraph article. It actually commits to nothing. Its a no but yeah exercise buying time until September. There's no way anyone can click their fingers for it to be in place in double quick time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 My dad is 58 and still isn't vaccinated, so I'm getting a little concerned. He said it's just because he works difficult hours so hasn't had a chance yet but still, I really hope he hasn't become an antivaxxer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, hodgey123 said: The government knew this when giving a date of 21 June by which all restrictions - including social distancing - would be lifted. Why would they change this now to social distancing unless we have vaccine passports? Compliance until some easing. There are so many people seeing each other in gardens and out and about this weekend - I don't think it's a coincidence that they're backtracking on that now . I doubt anything has actually changed but if they'd just said in February the real plan people would've seen it as so far away before any real normality that they may have reduced their compliance at that point. I agree with @steviewevie - they need to wait til everyone has had two vaccines to remove social distancing. This was always the case, and their timelines and roadmap never made any sense at all. But everyone focused on 21st June for almost 6 weeks despite how illogical it sounded. Job done, people distracted for a bit longer. Now they've moved the carrot a little further into the future, just hold on a little more and you'll get your freedom back. Unfortunately September is closely followed by the winter flu season, when it's completely unrealistic to begin a fully normal existence due to all the reasons we need to wait til September, that we don't know the vaccines fully work, we don't know if the vulnerable are fully protected until we see out a whole winter with the vaccines in play I don't think social distancing will end until summer 2022. If we move away from what we want to happen and look at things realistically, there is no other way this can go Edited April 3, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simsy Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, eFestivals said: Its beenbrifeduout of goves office tonight. Are they doing that thing where they brief the press to see what the public reaction is before making a decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: There is no way a lot of businesses can survive social distancing until the Summer 2022. I don't think they care - they'll help the ones that fit their ideology (West end theatres etc) and probably see it as a positive if people are steered away from others and set up careers in other, more Tory friendly industries Edited April 3, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgey123 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, steviewevie said: maybe they lied? maybe I'm wrong? maybe things change? Yeah I wasn’t having a go at you. It just doesn’t make sense to me. I started this thinking I could see the merit in the vaccine passports but when you stop and think about the timeline when this will be in place, and try and reconcile that with the roadmap, it just dawns on you that it doesn’t add up or, if the roadmap is still on track, it’ll be a massive waste of time and effort! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Maybe the concept seems to be to try and avoid super spreader event and let life go back to normal in other areas. The reality is this thing is more likely to spread in a super market before it spreads in a one off theatre visit. People are still going to catch it. It makes no sense that you have to be vaccinated or show a negative test... So the unvaccinated person doesn't have it. The vaccinated people might have have it but nobody will ever know, because they can go about spreading Covid wherever they like because they have been vaccinated and not be tested. It makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chawk Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, km9 said: Sooner than who? whoever would have been vaccinated on genuine grounds without lying to get it. There's 25 million people mostly in at risk groups still to get the 2nd dose Obviously 1 person lying isn't going go to cause any crisis but it's still delaying someone who is higher up the priority list in your local area. it's probably not a true story anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said: People are still going to catch it. It makes no sense that you have to be vaccinated or show a negative test... So the unvaccinated person doesn't have it. The vaccinated people might have have it but nobody will ever know, because they can go about spreading Covid wherever they like because they have been vaccinated and not be tested. It makes zero sense. Vaccinated people are much less likely to spread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Vaccinated people are much less likely to spread it. They are still cable of spreading it though. The unvaccinated person who has not got the virus is safer for the other people in the venue than the jabbed person in the venue who might be carrying it! Either let people manage their own risk or require a negative test from everyone. In which case what's the point of checking if they have had the jab anyway! Edited April 3, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Barry Fish said: Yup - and that is why nothing is committed too and its as vague as possible. Maybe Mondays announcement will have more details. They've committed to some specific test events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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