When will this shit end?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, km9 said:

I'm 42 and I received a text last week, but I'm on the J&J trial so can't yet (without being unblinded)

Ive. Not had a text but booked my jabs on the  booking site when i heard it was open rto tthose agwed40-50. 

[efcfanwirral]

25 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Face masks obligatory on beaches in Spain from tomorrow.

State of that.

Clown World!!

I think we're one of the outliers on not having to wear them everywhere  - i think it's pointless but I'm amazed we've got away with it for so long. Wouldn't be surprised to see it as part of the conditions for more freedom - people are properly kicking off about the outside gatherings yesterday 

[steviewevie]

39 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

I voted remain but goddamn am I lmao'ing at the absolute STATE of the EU.  Gonna be some some interesting tanlines 😅

not really sure that has anything to do with the EU....but at least it gave you chance to say I voted remain but...

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

No they haven't...  I just tired and got the same rejection.

The national booking system is letting some postcodes book 45 to 49...  I haven't heard of anyone managing to get a booking 40 to 44 via the national system.

Some people 40 to 49 are being contacted by their local GPs / Health Trusts via text messages but thats a local thing.

This is the national system : https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

All other systems are local ones.

That's where I booked as i missed my appointment it will let me rebook right now. 

[Gilgamesh69]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

not really sure that has anything to do with the EU....but at least it gave you chance to say I voted remain but...

I only said I voted remain so i didn't get a bunch of dorks attacking me and calling me a brexiteer. So keep crying btich

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

I only said I voted remain so i didn't get a bunch of dorks attacking me and calling me a brexiteer. So keep crying btich

bit of an unpleasant twat aren't you?

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Not sure on your age...  Are you under 45 ? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wish i was still. 

 

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

 

 

Its 100% a postcode lottery though as I can't book sadly 😞   

Its nothing to do with location

[xxialac]

1 hour ago, Henrik said:

Face masks obligatory on beaches in Spain from tomorrow.

State of that.

Clown World!!

You do realise Spain is completely otherwise open.

All shops, all restaurants, bars, cinemas and even a 5000 person concert at the weekend. And you don't have to wear a mask if you are on the beach exercising or sunbathing. Having strict measures on masks means that they are worn near 100% and no one complains about it either.

Didn't realise that makes them clowns...

[xxialac]

Just now, eFestivals said:

 

Wish i was still. 

 

Its nothing to do with location

I'm registered in London, 40s, system won't let me book...

[Paul ™]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Its nothing to do with location

It is as I can't book on national system but got a text from local NHS system (swiftqueue)

Am 49

Edited March 31, 2021 by Paul ™

[squirrelarmy]

22 hours ago, Toilet Duck said:

😂

Seriously though, do ye have any spare footballers? 

I believe Patrick Bamford is eligible for Ireland. Southgate turned him down for the England squad so you might be  lucky there. 

[DeanoL]

 

18 hours ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Cheers that's really useful. 

She's not petrified and knows it would be damn unlucky but it's totally understandable to be worried. 

She got upset because she's had it because it's the right thing to do - but what if it turns out the right thing to do has put me in harm's way? She also said it's a bit like brexit, there is lots of people in the media telling you what you should do but little understandable information avalaible for you to make your own choices - which I think is a fair statement. Not everyone is an expert in these things and not everyone with doubts is a loon. 

It's a horrible situation for anyone to be in. 

Not being confrontational, genuine curiosity - has she been petrified about getting COVID the last year too? That has a similar chance of a freak event killing a young, healthy person.

I think it's a legit concern to have about the vaccine, but equally we should have that concern about catching COVID itself, and it's worth thinking about why if someone is concerned about one and not the other.

17 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

Agree 100%. Reckon the top brass at the NHS want to know or are avoiding such questions as posed above so we can continue pretending it's simple common DVTs/hatred of brexit that these countries are worried about? 

Agree with the point above about over 50s - but a risk/benefit approach needs to be looked at

I think it probably has been. The issue is that risk/benefit approach will look at other things than just minimising death.

If we don't vaccinate everyone we have two options: let COVID run through the population so people get natural immunity, or continue some lockdown measures.

So you then have to consider long COVID, the impact of having a load of people all off work ill at the same time if we just let COVID spread instead, the impact of continued lock down if don't, the damage you will get to the economy from either continued lockdown, or a much weaker economic re-start as there will be massive hesitancy: eat out, get COVID, enjoy - is not a great slogan.

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Okay...  so I am in the 40 to 44 bracket and I can't book...  So obviously your thinking on how this works isn't correct.

Helps to book if ypu have your nhs number it wouldn't let mebook without it. 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I have my NHS number - still won't let me book

Its letting you book as you are older and in a different region.

Om older itdnsff all to do withregion

[DeanoL]

 

15 hours ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

It was openly discussed in the media that covid checks at pubs and things was to nudge younger people into having the vaccine as there are fears that uptake will reduce as you go down the ages. 

Look at those photos in the new article all big groups of young people hundreds of them suggests they aren't scared of Covid or letting a lack of vaccine stop them socialising already. Scenes like this and other metrics are obviously giving the government concerns over uptake to feel the need to 'nudge' the younger generations. 

That's a few hundred young people. There's loads more. I've heard there might be thousands. 

If even 10% of the young people in the country were out socialising in parks yesterday they would have been *loads* busier than that. I've seen London parks get that busy on the first day of nice weather in normal times, and that's when all the pubs and beer gardens are open and you can have friends round and restaurants are open and all that.

Those photos suggest the absolute opposite to me. The vast majority of young people stayed indoors yesterday.

4 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

The nerds are demanding more masks for us all in the telegraph this morning

 

Measures such as wearing masks and socially distancing from others should "increase in strength" as lockdowns are lifted to keep coronavirus under control, research suggests.

Yup. We could probably be meeting indoors with masks and windows open right now but because some people demonize masks so much and refuse to wear them in such situations (and it's unenforceable) we can't. Funny that.

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Evidence ?

The schools I know are saying its community transmission the spikes we saw locally when the went back.

Community transmission just happened to spike when schools went back? 

The thing is, even if you control the schools enough to prevent outbreaks in the schools... if a kid tests positive and gets sent home with their bubble, great, it doesn't spread round the school. But then a few kids in that bubble probably have it, and it inevitably gets passed onto the parents - that's unavoidable. And then the parents spread it at work or whatever. And you call it community transmission. 

[DeanoL]

 

16 hours ago, steviewevie said:

EU says AstraZeneca under no UK obligation that would prevent EU vaccine supply

Reuters reports:

AstraZeneca has told the European Union that it has no legal obligations to Britain or other buyers that would prevent the full supply of Covid-19 doses under its contract with the EU, a European Commission spokeswoman said on Tuesday.

Her comments at a news conference contradict statements made by British health minister Matt Hancock, who has repeatedly said the Anglo-Swedish firm has an exclusive deal with Britain that would justify prioritisation of supplies to the United Kingdom.

“AstraZeneca confirmed to us not being under any obligation to other parties that would impede to complete the fulfilment of its obligations” to the EU, the Commission spokeswoman said when asked about Hancock’s statements.

Her statement repeated the main points of article 13.1 of the EU contract with AstraZeneca under which the company agreed not to have any contractual obligations that would limit its ability to meet EU commitments. AstraZeneca did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The EU has launched talks with AstraZeneca under a dispute resolution mechanism included in its contract after the company said it would aim to deliver only 100 million doses by the end of June, instead of 300 million committed to in the EU contract.

"We're a private company and  just decided to give most of the doses to the UK because they weren't being c**ts about it", she added.

Edited March 31, 2021 by DeanoL

[efcfanwirral]

3 hours ago, DeanoL said:

 

Not being confrontational, genuine curiosity - has she been petrified about getting COVID the last year too? That has a similar chance of a freak event killing a young, healthy person.

I think it's a legit concern to have about the vaccine, but equally we should have that concern about catching COVID itself, and it's worth thinking about why if someone is concerned about one and not the other.

I think it probably has been. The issue is that risk/benefit approach will look at other things than just minimising death.

If we don't vaccinate everyone we have two options: let COVID run through the population so people get natural immunity, or continue some lockdown measures.

So you then have to consider long COVID, the impact of having a load of people all off work ill at the same time if we just let COVID spread instead, the impact of continued lock down if don't, the damage you will get to the economy from either continued lockdown, or a much weaker economic re-start as there will be massive hesitancy: eat out, get COVID, enjoy - is not a great slogan.

Deleted - concerned I may be spreading disinformation - the vaccine is safe

Edited March 31, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[zahidf]

 

[Paul ™]

26 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Om older itdnsff all to do withregion

Am 49 and have my NHS number and won't let me book on the system. I live in a different area to you, so yes it's regional.

[Henrik]

40 minutes ago, xxialac said:

You do realise Spain is completely otherwise open.

All shops, all restaurants, bars, cinemas and even a 5000 person concert at the weekend. And you don't have to wear a mask if you are on the beach exercising or sunbathing. Having strict measures on masks means that they are worn near 100% and no one complains about it either.

Didn't realise that makes them clowns...

I'm reading reports this morning that they have changed the rules...

as of this Wednesday, face coverings will be required outdoors and in all public places - including the beach - for anyone over the age of six. Exceptions will continue to be made for people with medical conditions or respiratory problems or for those exercising outdoors.

If you are sunbathing on the beach, you have to wear a mask.

Clowns

[squirrelarmy]

4 minutes ago, Henrik said:

as of this Wednesday, face coverings will be required outdoors and in all public places - including the beach - for anyone over the age of six. Exceptions will continue to be made for people with medical conditions or respiratory problems or for those exercising outdoors.

If you are sunbathing on the beach, you have to wear a mask.

I can see a lot of people being diagnosed with asthma or something similar before sunbathing. 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Henrik said:

I'm reading reports this morning that they have changed the rules...

as of this Wednesday, face coverings will be required outdoors and in all public places - including the beach - for anyone over the age of six. Exceptions will continue to be made for people with medical conditions or respiratory problems or for those exercising outdoors.

If you are sunbathing on the beach, you have to wear a mask.

Clowns

Parts of Europe are experiencing a massive increase in cases which is going to lead to a lot of death...so, places like Spain are taking extra precautions.

Edited March 31, 2021 by steviewevie

[Henrik]

Just now, squirrelarmy said:

I can see a lot of people being diagnosed with asthma or something similar before sunbathing. 

Yep. I can't imagine there is a single sane person on earth who is prepared to sunbathe on the beach while being forced to wear a mask

[JoeyT]

 

[DeanoL]

7 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Basically the majority are saying we should ignore scientific process and just vaccine everyone anyway, and whatever happens happens. I bet if I said my girlfriend is worried about this, being young and female and highly unlikely at risk from covid, that you'd say she should just take it and hope for the best right? 

Yes it might take longer to get back to "normal", but considering the age groups affected, even an "ultra rare" event isn't tiny numbers in the younger population. Replacing one issue for that age group with another surely can't be the answer. 

I would say even if she's young and healthy she could still die from COVID, just like she could die from the vaccine. I'd say the difference would be if she'd already had COVID, in which case I can certainly see the argument for not taking it.

But then equally I don't think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine. We're not going to eliminate COVID - the vaccines do a good job at reducing transmission but not so much we can erradicate it  - so everyone is going to get immunity to it eventually, either by catching it or being vaccinated.

There's a supply shortage at the moment, so I especially don't think anyone should be pressured into taking it - your partner should *not* take it and hope for the best if she's worried. That leaves another jab for someone who does want it. 

This isn't like MMR or whatever where a few unvaccinated people can risk major problems for everyone. I honestly think your partner should take it, and I've explained why and why I think the odds are better on taking it, but I'm not going to go out of my way to convince her/you. I'd rather that jab go to someone who is younger and terrified of COVID and desperate to get the vaccine. 

"Wait and see" is definitely an option too for individuals, but only if you're still going to take precautions to not get COVID in the meantime (so staying in, even when things are opening up). I've said a few times I think that's a totally valid position: to not take a vaccine until more safety data is available, and to continue to keep yourself in lockdown to ensure you don't get COVID in the meantime. Indeed, if you're one of those people that has no problem dealing with lockdown and it doesn't bother you, and you get very little value from socialising, I'd argue that's probably the overall best option.

What I don't understand is not taking the vaccine then putting yourself in a position where you will probably catch COVID. And so far most people I have seen who are anti-vaccine are also anti-lockdown.