When will this shit end?

[aj6658]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

This is very interesting. Isreal have vaccinated 57% of adults. I believe that we are coming up or already at 50%. If not we certainly will be in a couple of weeks with the massive uptick we're going to see (think there is expectation of hitting 5m a week). 

 

Again if its data not dates we should be accelerating the release. Amount of the adult population that has immunity either from the vaccine or exposure is easily the majority.

[danbailey80]

Why does everyone refer to 'the EU' when talking about stopping the Oxford vaccine? Norway is not in the EU. It's 'some European countries' not the EU. The EU hasn't said anything about it.

Genuine question.

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, danbailey80 said:

Why does everyone refer to 'the EU' when talking about stopping the Oxford vaccine? Norway is not in the EU. It's 'some European countries' not the EU. The EU hasn't said anything about it.

Genuine question.

Because it’s lazy and easy to just blame the EU. Those people ignore the fact that Norway, Iceland, Indonesia are not in the EU. The EMA has said is safe, individual countries are cautious because several people died after receiving the vaccine. The countries are just pausing to investigate.

[km9]

9 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I know it well.

Actually, I hardly ever use it, but there are limits.

Thanks, looks good 

[Zoo Music Girl]

9 hours ago, km9 said:

So this ignore function...

Highly recommended at the moment! 

[Ryan1984]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Because it’s lazy and easy to just blame the EU. Those people ignore the fact that Norway, Iceland, Indonesia are not in the EU. The EMA has said is safe, individual countries are cautious because several people died after receiving the vaccine. The countries are just pausing to investigate.

Raab was on the news earlier saying this. Seemed to be making a point that it was countries within the EU, not the EU itself, that had put things on hold and said how people should still get their jabs when called as regulators have declared it safe.

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, whitehorses said:

Where does one find the mute button? 

You can also do it via going to your account settings and the function called "Ignored users".

[Zoo Music Girl]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Just tried to book myself a vaccine on the off chance and have one booked for tomorrow afternoon!

Congrats mate!

[onthebeach]

10 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Another good report from Sky

Pointed out its not just blood clotting they have seen a spike in - but a very rare version of it in the brain they have spotted a spike in.
 

That is something a bit different entirely.  I don't think we should stop giving it out but it certainly makes this more of an issue than we first thought earlier today.

99.9% of the time you annoy the hell out of me - but I’m sure you know that!

However, on this you at least have acknowledged that there may be an issue beyond all the rhetoric of ‘nothing to see here/move along/it’s all political etc etc

I was also going along with the message that the incidence of blood clots was no greater than the general unvaccinated population. There is no one greater than me as a cheerleader for University of Oxford’s Jenner Institute and Oxford Vaccine Group - I’ve  followed the progress of Professor Sarah Gilbert’s team since early last year and have nothing but admiration for her and the team behind the development.

However, @Toiletduck mentioned that it was more nuanced than ‘general’ blood clots so as I respect their expertise I looked beyond the general consensus. This appears to be a cluster of a rare form of blood clot (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis?) in young, healthy people which is unusual. It seems to be linked to a certain batch so it certainly should be properly investigated and not brushed under the carpet. I really, really hope that it turns out to be a random occurrence.

There are no unusual incidents reported in the UK so I agree it’s safe to continue with the vaccination programme but if there was a problem here I would hope that the same due diligence would happen - surely in the long run this increases faith in vaccine rollouts?

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, danbailey80 said:

Why does everyone refer to 'the EU' when talking about stopping the Oxford vaccine? Norway is not in the EU. It's 'some European countries' not the EU. The EU hasn't said anything about it.

Genuine question.

Ignorance?

It's probably worth repeating that the EMA recommend continued use of the vaccine pending investigation.  Which seems to be an entirely correct response IMHO.

[HalfAnIdiot]

8 hours ago, stuie said:

I perceive the risk of transmission outside on a common to be so small that it’s not worth considering. 

Ahh, I see. You select facts to fit your agenda. Sorry, I shouldn't have bothered you. 

[HalfAnIdiot]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

True... and we have been doing.  To me it feels a much improved picture since the 80s for example.  But I speak as a man.  Takes a long time to change culture.

But we have to recognise enforcement is part of it all.

Its been very faltering progress. Attitudes have improved in some areas but rape convictions are falling (I heard 3% of reported rapes result in conviction recently - sorry no source other than the tellybox). 

On the same day that we learned of Sarah Everard my daughter got in her car after a shift at Morrisons around 10pm and some bloke came up to her window and stared in at her. She drove away quickly. What makes it OK in that guys head to scare an 18yr old like that? Will a culture change stop that? Will the police? Maybe both? Something needs to change and it's not just a few more lightbulbs. 

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, danbailey80 said:

Why does everyone refer to 'the EU' when talking about stopping the Oxford vaccine? Norway is not in the EU. It's 'some European countries' not the EU. The EU hasn't said anything about it.

Genuine question.

Thailand and Indonesia have too..

[Ozanne]

31 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Raab was on the news earlier saying this. Seemed to be making a point that it was countries within the EU, not the EU itself, that had put things on hold and said how people should still get their jabs when called as regulators have declared it safe.

What is happening...I’m agreeing with Dominic Raab. What parallel universe have I woken up in!? 😂

[onthebeach]

26 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Just following the facts.  I did the same with the policing of the vigil.  Presume you also watched sky's report on that ? 

Nothing wrong with annoying people and having a different opinion.  Funny enough no one annoys me here for having alternative view points no matter how crazy.  More makes me laugh.

It's snowing heavily recently.  Bit unusual for March.

No I haven’t as to be fair it’s not my ‘go to’ news source. If I get a chance I will check it out today along with more other reports. 

Also, for me it’s not what your opinions/beliefs are that annoy me so much - I hope that I can always agree to disagree in a civilised way - it’s your aggressive and provocative way of putting your point across. Why do you need to do this?

[xxialac]

9 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

I back up most things with facts.  Like the videos from the protest rather than just a photo of fame wannabe ginger girl getting thrown to the ground for being a criminal.

I also don't go against experts like Chris Whitty who very clearly say if people are crowded together outside the virus will spread.

As well as being as subtle as a smack in the face, as pointed out repeatedly, you don't back up most things with facts. 

Fact.

[zahidf]

Well

 

[zahidf]

 

[Hannibal Schmitt]

29 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Well

 

I read today that our government declined an offer to add up 1,4 Mio. J+J vaccines but decided to build up their vaccination plan on AstraZeneca and Biotech instead. And so they keep continuing with the AZ as most other countries stopped, coincidence?

[km9]

11 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

ever heard of a echo chamber 🙂  Another snowflake melts.

I've been saying that this thread is an echo chamber for a long time.

Trust me, I'm far from a 'snowflake'. 

Anybody else noticed that the people who use the term snowflake are mostly old, out of touch men?

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

@crazyfool1Sounds good - will be even more of a celebration to see your parents properly!

What are everyone else’s plans for the next easing/over Easter weekend? I think a walk with friends is needed and garden visits to parents and in-laws.

When the easing was announced I thought we'd be super busy that Easter weekend with both our families wanting to do stuff, but I think it's going to be a bit more slow and steady for us. With it having to be outside and just for a day visit, it was pointed out to me that traffic is likely to be a nightmare that weekend (due to bank hol and lockdown easing) so seeing relatives that live a fair bit away won't be that easy. My family also aren't keen to meet outdoors if cold! 

So at the moment I think I'm definitely seeing one mate for a park visit and maybe a couple more that weekend, but we may well hold off most of our socialising until later in the month, being led by what others want to do. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

I actually don't mind reading opposing views as that's what debate is about. But the aggressive hectoring tone of a few who post multiple times a page makes it really unpleasant in here so ignoring seems the best way forward. That way they can still post but I don't have to read it, unless quoted, but somehow that lessens the impact.

[km9]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

LMAO - very true 🙂 

I am certainly "out of touch" with the general feeling on the board but that's okay 🙂 

I think it's good to have a variety of opinions and mindsets. I actually agree with what you said about a vigil, when Sarah's own family and friends won't be allowed to properly gather at her funeral.

[efcfanwirral]

8 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I actually don't mind reading opposing views as that's what debate is about. But the aggressive hectoring tone of a few who post multiple times a page makes it really unpleasant in here so ignoring seems the best way forward. That way they can still post but I don't have to read it, unless quoted, but somehow that lessens the impact.

It doesn't bother me at all, even on the receiving end of it. Though I've never been bothered about how people say things, only the meaning behind it (I know it affects others though) 

I feel echo chambers should be challenged and sometimes a short insult gets through to me better than a "well reasoned" point when I'm getting mad at something that is in the grand scheme of things ridiculous 

Edited March 16, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

It doesn't bother me at all, even on the receiving end of it. Though I've never been bothered about how people say things (I know it affects others though) 

I feel echo chambers should be challenged and sometimes a short insult gets through to me better than a "well reasoned" point when I'm getting mad at something that is in the grand scheme of things ridiculous 

Fair enough, different strokes for different folks innit.