When will this shit end?

[stuartbert two hats]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

these are for over 65s only at the moment, so presumably would be a third dose a few months after theyve already had their second dose. 

I don't think thats in the JVCI's purview with reagrds to delaying June 21st. Thats up to SAGE. Id be surprised though, my reading of it is that its a precaution so they DONT have to lock us up over winter

That's exactly how I read it too.

[danmarks]

1 hour ago, BobWillis2 said:

Is that it? If that’s as far as they expect to be on test events by the middle of May. A socially distanced cup final even with testing then the idea we’re going back to normal 5 weeks later is a bit of a reach. 

Weird how we all interpret these things. I thought 20,000 in one place in middle of May was going great guns. Though i am so fucked off with all this now i may be interpreting it in a positive way that suits me at the moment

 

 

[BobWillis2]

3 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Weird how we all interpret these things. I thought 20,000 in one place in middle of May was going great guns. Though i am so fucked off with all this now i may be interpreting it in a positive way that suits me at the moment

 

 

I just find the idea that 20k tested people still having to be socially distanced is not a trial for a full Wembley weeks later and 100’s of thousands stood in fields watching live music for the rest of the summer, it’s a trial for more social distancing. 

[Crazyfool01]

Sad to see the Italian numbers on the rise once more ... really hope Europe starts to get a grip on the situation ...  wonder if our numbers might eventually start persuading people in other countries to start taking the jab otherwise I struggle to see how they get this under control 

[StuMalinas]

2 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

I just find the idea that 20k tested people still having to be socially distanced is not a trial for a full Wembley weeks later and 100’s of thousands stood in fields watching live music for the rest of the summer, it’s a trial for more social distancing. 
 

I agree tbf

Edited March 13, 2021 by StuMalinas

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

I just find the idea that 20k tested people still having to be socially distanced is not a trial for a full Wembley weeks later and 100’s of thousands stood in fields watching live music for the rest of the summer, it’s a trial for more social distancing. 

How in the 3 months we have left would you fit it in then ? I think it’s going to look weird whatever we do ? The London Underground going back to normal carries 2m people per day ... and there is no way that’s going to require a test ... 

[Ozanne]

It's one of the main reasons they can't go straight into no restrictions, they have to test how things are with fans of x amount see the effects of that then they can press ahead. They can't skip out that faze and go to having no restrictions in place.

It's all really normal and is definitely a good sign!

[stuartbert two hats]

I only saw this because Rory Stewart himself tweeted it, but bloody hell he called it totally right. This was while the government was faffing around, seemingly doing very little:

He had experience with Ebola that informed this position.

 

[BobWillis2]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

How in the 3 months we have left would you fit it in then ? I think it’s going to look weird whatever we do ? The London Underground going back to normal carries 2m people per day ... and there is no way that’s going to require a test ... 

The FA cup final should be the trial, the proper trial of a return to normality. Everybody needs to test negative 24/48 before the match and you aggressively test everybody in the week or 2 following the match. 
 

That’s how you properly trial whether it’s safe to return to normal, you don’t learn anything from a socially distanced event. 

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I only saw this because Rory Stewart himself tweeted it, but bloody hell he called it totally right. This was while the government was faffing around, seemingly doing very little:

He had experience with Ebola that informed this position.

 

I shared one from Joe Politics (I think) from a few days ago where they had an interview with Rory Stewart from that day in 2020 where he called for schools to close and ban crowds. He got it bang on.

[Crazyfool01]

Have we had today’s vaccination numbers ? I know of 4 people today that have been jabbed ... numbers going to start hitting some higher levels in the weeks ahead 🙂 

[Ozanne]

Today's figures:

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Have we had today’s vaccination numbers ? I know of 4 people today that have been jabbed ... numbers going to start hitting some higher levels in the weeks ahead 🙂 

Here you go:

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Ozanne

[Crazyfool01]

looks like a strong start to the week @Ozanne ... thanks 

[StuMalinas]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Today's figures:

0.34% positive rate  the numbers are going to go so low in a few weeks or by Easter 

[Crazyfool01]

I always like the comparative on this one .... so even with the kids back and the very high levels of testing the numbers seem to be dropping further ... massively positive for the steps to come 🙂 ..... tomorrow im off to say hello to my mum and will be going for a walk with my folks first time ive seen them since boxing day  .... brighter times are on the way folks just hang in there for a little longer 

Edited March 13, 2021 by crazyfool1

[Ozanne]

 

Some of these year ago things are fascinating, they show how far we have come.

[JoeyT]

Lovely walk with Wife, Daughter and my 2 friends + their daughter this afternoon.

Parks busy and people out enjoying the sunshine, it’s nice to see that folk are using their logic in regards to outside socialising.

[km9]

7 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Lovely walk with Wife, Daughter and my 2 friends + their daughter this afternoon.

Parks busy and people out enjoying the sunshine, it’s nice to see that folk are using their logic in regards to outside socialising.

Sounds great mate. Plenty of happy times ahead of us now 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

46 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

The FA cup final should be the trial, the proper trial of a return to normality. Everybody needs to test negative 24/48 before the match and you aggressively test everybody in the week or 2 following the match. 
 

That’s how you properly trial whether it’s safe to return to normal, you don’t learn anything from a socially distanced event. 

Maybe they're also limiting the numbers due to the need to manage the fans through the gates with their negative tests, etc? Could be a full-scale clusterfuck if they go big and try and manage 90,000 at the first attempt? Don't forget, it's also been twelve months since the staff have worked. I'm sure some kind of refresher is required!

Like others, I'm trying to put a positive spin on it at the moment but I can definitely see how there's some scepticism. May 17 seems like a long way away still and despite all the numbers going in the right direction, it's easy for our opinions to see-saw from one way to the other on a seemingly hourly basis at the moment. Each of the proper milestones can't come quick enough...

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

36 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I always like the comparative on this one .... so even with the kids back and the very high levels of testing the numbers seem to be dropping further ... massively positive for the steps to come 🙂 ..... tomorrow im off to say hello to my mum and will be going for a walk with my folks first time ive seen them since boxing day  .... brighter times are on the way folks just hang in there for a little longer 

Maybe a touch too early to see any real effect of the kids returning to school? If it's similar this time next week, we're in business

[Ozanne]

I went out on my walk earlier despite there blowy conditions and from what I can see it's just people on their own or couples. People seem to be following the rules where I am with no group's, I guess they are waiting for the 29th when the rule of 6 kicks in.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Maybe a touch too early to see any real effect of the kids returning to school? If it's similar this time next week, we're in business

yep true although the testing will be catching the positive  kids ... making them isolate and stopping it spreading the relatively small numbers in kids is a hopefull sign that the impact of a return won't hopefully push the numbers up too much 

[BobWillis2]

9 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Maybe they're also limiting the numbers due to the need to manage the fans through the gates with their negative tests, etc? Could be a full-scale clusterfuck if they go big and try and manage 90,000 at the first attempt? Don't forget, it's also been twelve months since the staff have worked. I'm sure some kind of refresher is required!

Like others, I'm trying to put a positive spin on it at the moment but I can definitely see how there's some scepticism. May 17 seems like a long way away still and despite all the numbers going in the right direction, it's easy for our opinions to see-saw from one way to the other on a seemingly hourly basis at the moment. Each of the proper milestones can't come quick enough...

I agree with what you say. I just feel like the next logical step from roughly a quarter full is maybe 50% and then 75% before going for full capacity. The Final is on the 15th May, the idea that 37 days after the 25% test we’ll be at full capacity seems highly unlikely. 
We can all argue about the speed of the roadmap until we’re blue in the face, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make here. 
The only way to find out how safe or unsafe it will be to have large non socially distanced events is to actually trial large non socially distanced events. Either we’re heading into 21st June blind and hoping for the best, or they’re overselling how much normality there will be on the 21st June. 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

yep true although the testing will be catching the positive  kids ... making them isolate and stopping it spreading the relatively small numbers in kids is a hopefull sign that the impact of a return won't hopefully push the numbers up too much 

I see the kids going back as the real acid test. As I say, if we can keep the numbers stable over the next few weeks, I really think the roadmap is realistic. Fingers crossed.