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9 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Also - Yay we can meet someone outside and sit on a bench with them without fear of being told off by a "covid marshall"... oh wait 99% people were doing this anyway if not with more than 1 friend already.

Outside rules aren't proportionate to risk but that won't stop the "what if's" or "vAriEnTs" brigade.

 

The variant porn brigade won’t shut up until we are all welded in our houses lest the (as yet undiscovered) outer Mongolian new variant makes it in and escapes the vaccine. They are best ignored at all times. 

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30 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Also - Yay we can meet someone outside and sit on a bench with them without fear of being told off by a "covid marshall"... oh wait 99% people were doing this anyway if not with more than 1 friend already.

Outside rules aren't proportionate to risk but that won't stop the "what if's" or "vAriEnTs" brigade.

 

Can kids not play together? There's a park near me that's been rammo with kids.

You can meet someone outside for exercise, maybe that includes having a go on the swings.

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59 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Think I might actually watch that Meghan and Harry interview now.

I think Meghan missed a trick here. She should just have come out and said that she didn't feel comfortable raising her child around an alleged sex offender. Mic drop. Game over.

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After the scenes in Glasgow city centre yesterday the mock outrage from doomers has started already, in particular the "wait two weeks" garbage from the logically challenged who, a whole ass year into the pandemic, still somehow haven't grasped the idea that it doesn't spread outside.

 

Meanwhile, the incompetent Harries is being put in charge of a new pandemic management service that definitely doesn't sound like an expensive white elephant knee jerk reaction to a 1-in-100 event. It's clear that this service is going to try and keep us locked down.

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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Or the other way to look at it is that, it’s only 3 weeks till we can start to socialise in a group of friends again. We getting there slowly but surely, those 3 weeks will fly by!

Try to focus on the positives 😀

I fail to see the positives in a situation where there are 29 cases per 100k of my local authority hand and there are laws stopping me seeing a group of friends outside?

The outside rules are not proportionate to the risk which is posed & I genuinely don't see what's so hard to realise about that.

Therefore another 3 weeks is a negative not a positive!

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2 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I fail to see the positives in a situation where there are 29 cases per 100k of my local authority hand and there are laws stopping me seeing a group of friends outside?

The outside rules are not proportionate to the risk which is posed & I genuinely don't see what's so hard to realise about that.

Therefore another 3 weeks is a negative not a positive!

 

Honestly just go and see them. Outdoor gathering rules aren't being enforced and indoor gatherings are incredibly unlikely to get caught.

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31 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I fail to see the positives in a situation where there are 29 cases per 100k of my local authority hand and there are laws stopping me seeing a group of friends outside?

The outside rules are not proportionate to the risk which is posed & I genuinely don't see what's so hard to realise about that.

Therefore another 3 weeks is a negative not a positive!

It is a positive though just from the fact that in 3 weeks time we can start to hang out with a group of friends again. It might not be what you want but it is still a positive. Those 3 weeks will fly by, the weather will be warmer and we’ll be near a bank holiday weekend; seems like positives to me.

I’m not going to go through why the cautiousness is the best approach but I can’t help feel that people might need some positivity especially on a Monday morning!

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36 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Or the other way to look at it is that, it’s only 3 weeks till we can start to socialise in a group of friends again. We getting there slowly but surely, those 3 weeks will fly by!

Try to focus on the positives 😀

Totally agree, in comparison to how long it’s been to get to this point, the three weeks will go quick!

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39 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Or the other way to look at it is that, it’s only 3 weeks till we can start to socialise in a group of friends again. We getting there slowly but surely, those 3 weeks will fly by!

Try to focus on the positives 😀

I swear time has slowed right down since that Roadmap was announced!

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21 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

The public never fail to amaze me.

 

Of course most won’t give a toss what’s going on around them as long as they can stay home, order Chinese food and watch strictly housewives in the jungle or whatever the newest reality crap is. 

Don't you think a significant amount of people wanting vaccine passports are doing because they want to do those things not because they want to stay home?

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30 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

The policy makers have spoken! 31% are spiteful enough to think you need a vaccination to go to a supermarket. I wonder if it would be  a similar % if the question was "should people who refuse a vaccine be sent to prison" or "should people who refuse a vaccine be shot" 

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Just now, efcfanwirral said:

 

The policy makers have spoken! 31% are spiteful enough to think you need a vaccination to go to a supermarket. I wonder if it would be  a similar % if the question was "should people who refuse a vaccine be sent to prison" or "should people who refuse a vaccine be shot" 

The British public have genuinely been gaslit here. The government and the media equally to blame for the fear porn. 

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4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

No. 

Seems an odd take. I'm happy enough for vaccine passports to be optional to the venue in question or to not happen at all because vaccine uptake is so high but if it was lower or if it starts to slip then I'd be happier in a big crowded place if they had measures in place.

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1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

The variant porn brigade won’t shut up until we are all welded in our houses lest the (as yet undiscovered) outer Mongolian new variant makes it in and escapes the vaccine. They are best ignored at all times. 

So, I'm pretty positive about where we are heading, the vaccines are performing exceptionally well and we'll get out the other side of this with them and get our lives back. But, not everyone that points out where there could be difficulties is a "doomer" that wants us all welded into our houses permanently (I certainly don't!). There are things to be cautious about though. The narrative that the vaccines will prevent 100% of hospitalisation and death (which came from the trials) isn't entirely true now that we are using them in millions upon millions of people. They're good, in fact they're excellent at preventing these outcomes, but it's closer to 80-90% when we look at the Scottish/PHE/Israeli data on the worst outcomes. That's about right, nothing is 100% and people are carefully selected for trials, so its always a bit lower when every type of co-morbidity/age etc is included in real world use. The impact the vaccines are having on transmission is way better than many of us expected, so the drop in efficacy against severe disease/hospitalisations/death can be bridged by "herd immunity" once more people are vaccinated. That "herd immunity" isn't absolute either (so elimination in the short to medium term looks unattainable, but maybe combinations of updated vaccines will get us there over the course of the next decade)...variants threaten that part and decrease the overall protection provided by a vaccinated society to those who remain at risk even if they have been vaccinated themselves, so it's not wrong to keep an eye on them, but it is something we can manage without locking everyone in their homes. The key is we need to have enough protection across society before we open up too much in order to reduce the overall risk. We'll get there, it'll take a bit of time (summer basically), but it's not "doomer" behaviour to be suggesting we get there with the fewest casualties possible. 

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9 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Seems an odd take. I'm happy enough for vaccine passports to be optional to the venue in question or to not happen at all because vaccine uptake is so high but if it was lower or if it starts to slip then I'd be happier in a big crowded place if they had measures in place.

I'm getting so irritated by the fear around all this that once it's over I'll actively want to be around unvaccinated people as much as possible after I've had mine, just to prove a point. Once I've had one dose I will have zero fear about covid. Zero.

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