When will this shit end?

[EasyUserName]

2 hours ago, BobWillis2 said:

I find it a bit hard to believe that the biggest thing since the Second World War will become a Netflix docuseries and then forgotten about. 
 

By which measure are you comparing it to the Second World War?  The (in my opinion) reason the second world war has such traction still, after 80 years, is nationalism.  There have been plenty of other wars since then, plenty of other events. 

 

Everyone talks about the Titanic, but that was over 100 years ago.  Does anyone mention the Le Joola?  Ot the Dona Paz? 

 

Bad things happen.  I hesitate to say it, as it is somewhat "modern", but I think your privilege is showing here.

 

[El Matador]

59 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

The idea that we should still be living under restrictions for another 15 weeks is becoming increasingly hard to defend. 

[EasyUserName]

1 minute ago, EasyUserName said:

By which measure are you comparing it to the Second World War?  The (in my opinion) reason the second world war has such traction still, after 80 years, is nationalism.  There have been plenty of other wars since then, plenty of other events. 

 

Everyone talks about the Titanic, but that was over 100 years ago.  Does anyone mention the Le Joola?  Ot the Dona Paz? 

 

Bad things happen.  I hesitate to say it, as it is somewhat "modern", but I think your unconscious bias is showing here.

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by EasyUserName
Wrong phrase used

[Copperface]

This was put together by a friend of mine who works ICU in my local area.

The trouble with Covid is that it is an immediate threat. Other conditions are also life threatening, but a choice has to be made regarding the primacy of need of treatment at short notice. Other conditions that required immediate treatment were treated.

This chart shows how much more dangerous the virus has been compared to the previous five years.

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Copperface

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

By which measure are you comparing it to the Second World War?  The (in my opinion) reason the second world war has such traction still, after 80 years, is nationalism.  There have been plenty of other wars since then, plenty of other events. 

 

Everyone talks about the Titanic, but that was over 100 years ago.  Does anyone mention the Le Joola?  Ot the Dona Paz? 

 

Bad things happen.  I hesitate to say it, as it is somewhat "modern", but I think your privilege is showing here.

 

no one talks about the 1918 pandemic either, I certainly didn't learn about it in history at school...it was all about beating the jerrys.

[EasyUserName]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

no one talks about the 1918 pandemic either, I certainly didn't learn about it in history at school...it was all about beating the jerrys.

Indeed. As much as I would like to think that it will be looked at later, I can see it all being swept away in the rush to "get back to normal".  Personally, I would like to see some of these contracts looked at, but it won't happen (in my opinion). 

[Ozanne]

12 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

Indeed. As much as I would like to think that it will be looked at later, I can see it all being swept away in the rush to "get back to normal".  Personally, I would like to see some of these contracts looked at, but it won't happen (in my opinion). 

Those contracts are getting looked at in the courts, it's just getting no traction in the media. The other day it was confirmed in Court papers that the Prime Minister lied to Parliament over some of these contracts too, but it was barely mentioned. 

[SheffJeff]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Those contracts are getting looked at in the courts, it's just getting no traction in the media. The other day it was confirmed in Court papers that the Prime Minister lied to Parliament over some of these contracts too, but it was barely mentioned. 

Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

57 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

How do you propose we managed this then with a massively stretched nhs ? And limited number of nhs staff along with some infectious disease precautions... 

Ringfence a minimum level of NHS capacity for flagship services like cancer treatment.

 

What we have done by prioritising covid patients is kick the can down the line a few years. By opening up a few extra covid wards in the hospitals, we might have saved lives in the short term but give it 6 months and some 45 year old mum of three who’s been asking for a scan on a lump she found on her breast will present again with more widely metastatic disease that is now incurable. This is the sort of price we are going to be paying going forward. 

[dotdash79]

So schools go back from tomorrow (well all pupils), the wife’s youngest school has a process where you have a lateral flow test and if it’s positive you get a pcr test booked. If the pcr test is negative you can go back to school. 
 

what are they counting the positive case numbers on the lateral flow or the pcr?

[duke88]

1 minute ago, dotdash79 said:

So schools go back from tomorrow (well all pupils), the wife’s youngest school has a process where you have a lateral flow test and if it’s positive you get a pcr test booked. If the pcr test is negative you can go back to school. 
 

what are they counting the positive case numbers on the lateral flow or the pcr?

I’m assuming lateral flow tests are included in the daily figures, considering they’re showing a million tests a day now.

[steviewevie]

[dotdash79]

Just now, duke88 said:

I’m assuming lateral flow tests are included in the daily figures, considering they’re showing a million tests a day now.

So you can test positive then negative and it would still count?

Also they have introduced a rule of someone on the same school bus test positive then they all have to isolate, doesn’t matter if they are sat nowhere near the infected person. 

[steviewevie]

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

The single worst policy decision we’ve taken as a nation in the last year was to prioritise covid patients over non-covid patients. Something I’m incredibly bitter about. 

Nope it was prioritising Christmas and hobbies over covid and non covid patients. 

We had the discussion on these boards much earlier in the year regarding why cancer services would get halted if covid ran rampant (because of lack of capacity and high risk of patients undergoing cancer treatments catching covid), I remember specifically having that discussion with you.

Yet still you wanted hobbies, socialising and Christmas rather than an earlier lockdown. Now you act as if your priority was cancer patients the whole time-it's just not true. 

[steviewevie]

If R stays below 1 after schools go back there will be a lot of pressure on Johnson to speed up the release of lockdown restrictions...just have to see how it goes.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Nope it was prioritising Christmas and hobbies over covid and non covid patients. 

We had the discussion on these boards much earlier in the year regarding why cancer services would get halted if covid ran rampant (because of lack of capacity and high risk of patients undergoing cancer treatments catching covid), I remember specifically having that discussion with you.

Yet still you wanted hobbies, socialising and Christmas rather than an earlier lockdown. Now you act as if your priority was cancer patients the whole time-it's just not true. 

I have proposed a solution to the capacity issue.

 

I accept the second argument, though would counter that only certain cancers have an immunocompromising effect (leukaemias and lymphomas do, those treated with chemo do because the patients are on immunosuppressant drugs. Other cancer patients treated with surgery or radiotherapy are not necessarily high risk covid patients)

 

 

[zahidf]

58 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

[efcfanwirral]

13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Saying this....

Just listening to Texas governor justify removing mask mandate and restrictions.

Justification...

Half way there with vaccinations

They did it via age not profession like other states and cdc advice 

People have made the decision- they don't want it

They will monitor and change approach if things go south 

 

Saying its neanderthal to keep people locked up like California who sent infected people back to care homes 

 

Food for thought...  be interesting to watch and see what happens 

I'm just glad it's not us doing that experiment!

[efcfanwirral]

14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Given they have followed our approach its certainly going to be interesting to watch.

All being we'll cases will tick up but hospital admissions and deaths should continue to fall

Another interesting fact is they are working off 25% of people declining the vaccine.  So when they say half of adults have received it, its half after you the off 25% so not really half.

They could just about keep ahead of hospitalisations if they're lucky. Now I don't know about that state specifically but wonder what their obesity level is like? Could be the curveball that ruins them, but on the flip side if they do manage to avoid the hospitalisations going up it could give us some confidence considering we've already added obesity to group 6 way before we even start opening up.

Edited March 8, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Reckoner]

5 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I have proposed a solution to the capacity issue.

 

I accept the second argument, though would counter that only certain cancers have an immunocompromising effect (leukaemias and lymphomas do, those treated with chemo do because the patients are on immunosuppressant drugs. Other cancer patients treated with surgery or radiotherapy are not necessarily high risk covid patients)

 

 

It's not a solution, it's just an idea, with little actual detail to how it would practically work.

The whole UK approach to Covid has been Bond Villain Stupidity. Overly elaborate and complicated plans and when the simple solution has been there all along.

The vaccination roll-out has been amazing, time to finish the job now and just shoot It.

 

 

[steviewevie]

Back to school kids. What a bummer.

[steviewevie]

Think I might actually watch that Meghan and Harry interview now.

[JoeyT]

Also - Yay we can meet someone outside and sit on a bench with them without fear of being told off by a "covid marshall"... oh wait 99% people were doing this anyway if not with more than 1 friend already.

Outside rules aren't proportionate to risk but that won't stop the "what if's" or "vAriEnTs" brigade.

 

[zahidf]