When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

I've plugged this before, but I thought this was excellent at explaining about vaccines and variants etc to simps like me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000slmx/horizon-2021-coronavirus-special-what-we-know-now

[TGCarr]

59 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

The more and more I  see of good news likes this makes me truly believe we'll have a great summer.

 

Keep the airport's quarantine strict for the year just to ensure we do what we can to avoid mutations because the Gov love overreacting to them.

 

And let us get onto those muddy fields drinking piss warm cans of cider 🤝🤝

[balti-pie]

56 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

Thanks for the info, this thread never fails to deliver and although this isn't the info I was hoping for it is what I expected to be the case. Just feel so sorry for him as we celebrated his 10 year anniversary out of hospital last year and frustratingly I've seen his mental health deteriorate over the past month but been unable to do much about it. At this stage I'll just have to try to ignore the threat of Covid and hope it doesn't turn into a section 3. Thanks again for the informed response.

Ten years without an admission is fantastic to be fair, he's obviously been doing lots of things right in order to stay out of hospital for that long! A relapse, while debilitating and distressing, does at least give more information to the patient (and their carers) about what to look for when they are dipping in mood - so it serves to help protect him in the future. Thats a good thing.

In terms of Covid, I can only speak about my ward, but we've had a handful of positive patients over the last year - perhaps 7 or 8 in total. And none have been particularly unwell, thankfully. Its not lead to any outbreaks, and generally speaking the ward will have a management plan for positive patients, their quarantining, and contact with others. So while i cant speak about the ward he's on, i'd be confident if a friend or relative of mine was on my ward, its certainly not inevitable that they'll come into contact with Coronavirus.

I'd hope for the same at other MH wards and other trusts, i should think they'd have been following similar protocols to us. To be honest Coronavirus hasnt hugely affected inpatient settings, its always business as (un)usual! We're very used to dealing with strange situations!  

[Leyrulion]

43 minutes ago, st dan said:

I think if we hit or exceed the current vaccine targets and the effectiveness is still as good as it appears to be now, then all restrictions will be gone by 1st June, and summer 2021 will be ‘saved’. 

I definitely think it's all gearing up for an announcement at the April relaxation of a change in target to have whole population done by Mid May and so some things from the last stage can be brought forward to May. 

But but but we really need to see what happens when schools open next week. Even if cases raise hopefully that doesn't lead to more hospitalisations.

[Ryan1984]

31 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

I definitely think it's all gearing up for an announcement at the April relaxation of a change in target to have whole population done by Mid May and so some things from the last stage can be brought forward to May. 

Boris’s Big Bank Holiday Bonanza!

Edited March 1, 2021 by Ryan1984

[Fuzzy Afro]

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

We ARE going to see cases rise I feel when schools go back next week - specially given all the extra testing.

But the whole point of the vaccine is to break the case / hospitalisation and death relationship.

To be quite frank - if we can't send the kids back in March - I will be worried if we ever can 😞 

Its the moment of truth really.

 

There will be a jump and the usual suspects will be calling for a lockdown. Important that Boris holds his nerve here. 

[Ozanne]

11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

We ARE going to see cases rise I feel when schools go back next week - specially given all the extra testing.

But the whole point of the vaccine is to break the case / hospitalisation and death relationship.

To be quite frank - if we can't send the kids back in March - I will be worried if we ever can 😞 

Its the moment of truth really.

 

It’ll be ok, we have got cases down to nearly very low levels and we still have a week to go. This is why the government have built in the few weeks buffer so we can review and if anything is going wrong then adjust and delay any further unlocking. I think the government seems to have learnt from the past so you can take comfort that if they need to they will put a pause on any further unlocking if they need to. 

[zahidf]

15 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

We ARE going to see cases rise I feel when schools go back next week - specially given all the extra testing.

But the whole point of the vaccine is to break the case / hospitalisation and death relationship.

To be quite frank - if we can't send the kids back in March - I will be worried if we ever can 😞 

Its the moment of truth really.

 

I look forward to hugging strangers and a bonfire of our face nappies JUne 22nd

[st dan]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’ll be ok, we have got cases down to nearly very low levels and we still have a week to go. This is why the government have built in the few weeks buffer so we can review and if anything is going wrong then adjust and delay any further unlocking. I think the government seems to have learnt from the past so you can take comfort that if they need to they will put a pause on any further unlocking if they need to. 

But what happens for example if we were to see 100k cases a day, but less than 100 deaths and hospitalisations keep falling? What would their course of action be then?

[balthazarstarbuck]

I’m not so sure about a case rise- cases fell (admittedly not by much) during the November lockdown when schools remained open- and that was without 30% of the population being jabbed. 

[JoeyT]

2 minutes ago, st dan said:

But what happens for example if we were to see 100k cases a day, but less than 100 deaths and hospitalisations keep falling? What would their course of action be then?

They'll dangle another "variant of concern" in all of our faces.

Entirely predictable that this is what will happen between now and us getting out of lockdown.

Anytime they see compliance dropping you'll see a new variant come to light.

Case in point being this weekend.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

They'll dangle another "variant of concern" in all of our faces.

Entirely predictable that this is what will happen between now and us getting out of lockdown.

Anytime they see compliance dropping you'll see a new variant come to light.

Case in point being this weekend.

Another year of lockdown 'Just in case'

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I look forward to hugging strangers and a bonfire of our face nappies JUne 22nd

face nappies?...you're spending too much time on anti lockdown twitter.

[phimill]

There is a lot more "vaccines will work" news against the new variant than usual today - shows the media arent trying to scare everyone back into lockdown and that the roadmap will continue

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

They'll dangle another "variant of concern" in all of our faces.

Entirely predictable that this is what will happen between now and us getting out of lockdown.

Anytime they see compliance dropping you'll see a new variant come to light.

Case in point being this weekend.

yes, the nerd eggheads just want us to keep us locked down forever with their fake variant doomgloom porn.

 

[zahidf]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yes, the nerd eggheads just want us to keep us locked down forever with their fake variant doomgloom porn.

 

Yup. The Geeks are trying to keep us locked up longer!

[DeanoL]

On 2/27/2021 at 12:18 PM, stuartbert two hats said:

I have to say as a fat bloke in his forties, I'm not feeling great about people relaxing as vaccines mean the risk to society as a whole reduces - because it means that my personal risk is going to go up again for the next couple of months.

I'm sure I'll be fine, but I'd rather not catch the  coronavirus without having been vaccinated beforehand.

Yeah I'm sort of gearing up for the next couple of months being the hardest as people stop caring - and it's impossible to reasonably keep distance from people who have no interest in keeping distance from you.

On 2/27/2021 at 12:35 PM, gizmoman said:

"the public clearly want them"

Go look at the likes/dislikes and the comments on this report, it's a mainstream media channel, dislikes are 2 to 1 likes, comments are overwhelmingly negative. Suspect your twitter "poll" is of younger more gullible people.

2 to 1 for vaccine passports is an interesting ratio though, if it is true. Most gigs and events can't run on 66% of the usual demand. So one side needs convincing one way or the other for most events to be viable. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Yup. The Geeks are trying to keep us locked up longer!

The Greeks?

Oh, sorry...geeks.

[Chapple12345]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The Greeks?

Oh, sorry...geeks.

New Greek variant incoming then 😜

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I think face masks are an utter waste of time - while not being anti lockdown or pretending this virus isn't real.

At some point it just became accepted practice based off little evidence.  I find it bizarre.  Nothing more than a comfort blanket (quite literally) 

Social distancing and vaccines are the only proven answers.

Im fine with wearing a muzzle longer instead of social distancing myself. 

[DeanoL]

 

On 2/27/2021 at 6:34 PM, Keithy said:

And there's the issue of pay too. NHS london jobs get a High Cost Area Supplements (HCAS) to cover the cost of living/working in London. If I now WFH away from London as I'm not front line and can do it remotely, they can justifiably say I don't need HCAS. So an effective pay cut.

Similarly lots of jobs offer higher wages than other areas as people have to commute in a long way. If that commute is no longer necessary, I can see companies arguing that they no longer need to pay that rate. 

A lot of that is reasonable though - if you're WFH and no longer living in a high cost area, your costs are lower, so it's an effective pay increase. The removal of the supplement just puts you back to normal. Likewise if you had to commute a long way before, that also means high travel costs, which you won't have any more.

The flip side of this is who covers the cost of equipment for home working, and the use of your space at home.

There will have to be some give and take on this. You're not going to get to save 10 hours of your life a week in travel and the associated costs, get to move to a cheaper area, get the keep the money you were paid for living in an expensive area, and get work to pay to outfit you with a new office.

There's going to be some balance to it all, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. (My gut feeling says most companies will keep wages and stuff the same but put the onus on equipping an office on the individual, if they can 

On 2/27/2021 at 7:01 PM, shoptildrop said:

Pretty much most salaried jobs expect extra work from you, it's a cultural norm that's hard to avoid.... office politics comes into play if you don't (And that includes places that offer well being, early finish Friday's etc.. It never really changes you have to do extra work to be seen to be effective 😞 )

I think that might be true but the level of extra work varies hugely. Like I might need to put in a few extra hours around a project launch or cover something at a weekend once or twice a year. But I'm not expected to put in 5-10 extra hours a week like some places.

This is actually my one worry as we move to WFH more regularly. Where companies are giving people excessive amounts of work that can't be done in working hours, at least if you're in the office working solidly from 7.30am to 6.30pm people can see that. It's clear you're being overworked, and a decent manager will at least attempt to improve things - it's at the very least evidence you need more resource in a team.

WFH means people being assessed purely on what they deliver, not the hours they are working. So if you're telling your manager you are overworked, there's no way to know if you actually are, or you are just not putting the effort in. It's a potentially dangerous situation - not to mention once WFH is possible if you are overworked the hours can get even more ridiculous, and the allnighters we thought were left behind in our student days rear their ugly heads again.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Whatever makes you happy...

If the aim is not to get infected though I would suggest you distance 🙂

I will admit its made at least 75% of us all better looking!

don't have to worry about halitosis.

[gizmoman]

17 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah I'm sort of gearing up for the next couple of months being the hardest as people stop caring - and it's impossible to reasonably keep distance from people who have no interest in keeping distance from you.

2 to 1 for vaccine passports is an interesting ratio though, if it is true. Most gigs and events can't run on 66% of the usual demand. So one side needs convincing one way or the other for most events to be viable. 

Actually its 2 to 1 against going by the comments on that video, 1.3k upvotes 2.7k downvotes, not an accurate measure of public opinion of course, the antis will always be more vocal. Even so that's quite a big negative response.

[Ozanne]

35 minutes ago, st dan said:

But what happens for example if we were to see 100k cases a day, but less than 100 deaths and hospitalisations keep falling? What would their course of action be then?

I presume they would carry on as they are according to their roadmap. They’ll need to make sure they are regularly telling people why certain measures are still needed. I don’t think they would want to rush ahead of schedule with a certain step then realised they have to put the breaks in again, that wouldn’t be a good thing for people.

[DeanoL]

2 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Actually its 2 to 1 against going by the comments on that video, 1.3k upvotes 2.7k downvotes, not an accurate measure of public opinion of course, the antis will always be more vocal. Even so that's quite a big negative response.

Yeah that's what I mean - if 2 to 1 are against them, 66% of people are willing to go to gigs without them and 33% are not. The maths doesn't work on that for promoters. But without knowing what % have it as a dealbreaker we don't know the real impact (ie - how many of the 66% would not go to gigs if they had to have a passport, versus how many of the 33% wouldn't go to gigs if it wasn't a requirement)