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1 minute ago, gizmoman said:

Not forever, just long enough to condition people into accepting the "new normal" (ID passports, controls on travel etc.) and to start to "build back better". It's quite transparent if you understand the objectives.

Do you think news stories like this don't have an agenda?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56168723

 

Lol, you really think random journos trying to justify their working existence are writing what they write to forward a fascist agenda for the parties in power?

Time you came up for air, I reckon.

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I’d imagine that they update the vaccines annually like they do the flu jabs ... and start off with vaccinating the most vulnerable like they have done this year .... possibly starting a little earlier than the flu jabs because of the greater need at present ... it’s how they fit this capacity in ... alongside flu jabs ... the hope is obviously a combined one otherwise it’s going to be very hard for them to do both ... 

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6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Sorry I don't know what NPIs are ?

Same as with Flu we will get a new version of the vaccine that is adjusted to handle current and predicted mutations.  That is what I am saying...

NPIs means Non-Pharmaceutical inventions. It’s a fancy way of saying lockdowns basically. 

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Just now, Barry Fish said:

They will almost certainly combine with the Flu vaccine if its going to be annual.  I don't think this will scientific challenge to be honest - its pretty old science combining vaccines and changing delivery mechanisms. 

I believe it depends on quite a bit the vaccine type - combining with their Flu candidate is something Novavax have already done, and have included as a branch of one of their Phase 3 trials.

Whereas as far as I can understand it, combining isn't likely to be possible with the mRNA vaccines - which is a shame because going forward they're likely to be the easiest to adapt and quickest to manufacture scale at short notice.

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14 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I’d imagine that they update the vaccines annually like they do the flu jabs ... and start off with vaccinating the most vulnerable like they have done this year .... possibly starting a little earlier than the flu jabs because of the greater need at present ... it’s how they fit this capacity in ... alongside flu jabs ... the hope is obviously a combined one otherwise it’s going to be very hard for them to do both ... 

The biggest question right now is whether they'll need to keep the mass vaccination centres open.

5 minutes ago, incident said:

I believe it depends on quite a bit the vaccine type - combining with their Flu candidate is something Novavax have already done, and have included as a branch of one of their Phase 3 trials.

Whereas as far as I can understand it, combining isn't likely to be possible with the mRNA vaccines - which is a shame because going forward they're likely to be the easiest to adapt and quickest to manufacture scale at short notice.

I wonder if the mRNA vaccines will be one the emergency ones that are rushed out to new varients and other new pandemic threats before being replaced by the more usual types.

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1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

I find people on twitter who are almost gleeful about the EUs slow vaccination rate compared to the UKs weird - it's not a football match, it means people will die that otherwise wouldn't

I completely agree.

I think in this case it is more pointing out the misinformation given the data showing that they aren't catching up.

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Just now, Mr.Tease said:

I find people on twitter who are almost gleeful about the EUs slow vaccination rate compared to the UKs weird - it's not a football match, it means people will die that otherwise wouldn't

It's utterly pathetic.

Be pleased about the UK's fast rate by all means. Absolutely.

But it's incredibly childish to laugh at others over this, given that some old and vulnerable people will now die before they get their injection, and all the more embarrassing to do so at a time the UK has the harshest lockdown in Europe and the worst death rate of any major European country.

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1 hour ago, Mellotr0n said:

Yeah I think you're right - for the vast majority of us it won't take a while, but for a couple of weeks or so I reckon I'll find all the sudden socialising a bit knackering - but it'll be so fun that I'll keep wanting to do it anyway.

 

To be fair, I've always found socialising knackering, so this will be back to business as usual for me! 

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24 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Taking Travel as an example, first up lack of travel impacts peoples jobs and others seeing relatives so it’s not just leisure travel. Not being able to travel impacts the economy and will hit others hard in terms of mental health. Further, it’s a good example of a right that people have given up/had taken away from them. So there’s the downsides and they apply to almost any restriction.

You don't need to tell me twice. Stuck on a landmass where I'm at the border 20 minutes any direction, haven't been home in a year and unlikely to be able to get home see my step-dad again before the big C does him in. I also work in Immigration and Visa processing and somehow continue to have a job. Its an activity though that is super high risk in creating new chains of transmission. If it needs to be held off to keep other areas of the economy able to open up and function, then whilst its a hard and crap choice, it would seem the right one.

28 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

To take that right away it has to be justified which it has been over the last few months due to the risk caused by the pressing Public Health Emergency. However as more people are vaccinated that risk gets reduced. 

Being practical, how long do we stop travel for? Until there’s no Covid anywhere in the world? That could take years. That may never happen.
Can you carry enough people with you to give up that right ‘just in case’ of a variant that may or may not set us back? 

And ethically how is that justifiable? The contract between Government and the people changed based on the risk to public health. If it doesn’t change back when that risk diminishes when does it? 

As for the last paragraph and what’s happened over the last year I agree it’s been very badly handled but we’re talking about the cost going forward. 

I don't disagree with any of this, we both just have different risk appetites in the speed getting there. Travel should come back, but slowly and safely. Green/reciprocal travel lanes between countries with low cases/high vaccination or both, testing etc Start slow, make sure nothing is going wrong then continue to expand. In terms of the cost going forward, we already know the cost of what happens when you get it wrong so I'd be more worried about not repeating that again.

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24 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Not forever, just long enough to condition people into accepting the "new normal" (ID passports, controls on travel etc.) and to start to "build back better". It's quite transparent if you understand the objectives.

Do you think news stories like this don't have an agenda?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56168723

 

Are you hinting at 'THE GrEaT ReSEt'?

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8 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

I wonder if the mRNA vaccines will be one the emergency ones that are rushed out to new varients and other new pandemic threats before being replaced by the more usual types.

Yeah, seems that way.

The Government signing a deal a couple weeks ago with CureVac (mRNA but can be stored in a fridge, no official results yet) for 50 million doses that won't be delivered until well after the mass vaccination programme is complete suggests that they're already planning for this. Not looked at the details but I believe that the deal also includes UK based manufacturing support.

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10 minutes ago, xxialac said:

It's utterly pathetic.

Be pleased about the UK's fast rate by all means. Absolutely.

But it's incredibly childish to laugh at others over this, given that some old and vulnerable people will now die before they get their injection, and all the more embarrassing to do so at a time the UK has the harshest lockdown in Europe and the worst death rate of any major European country.

Yeah I agree. It’s a shame and shows poor handling by the EU but I don’t think people should be pleased they are so far behind. Ideally everyone would be doing as well as us or Israel. 

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4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

But it’s a zero sum game. Every vaccine that goes into an arm in Spain or Germany is one that isn’t going into the arm of your mum or your cousin. 

My cousins live in the EU, so jabs going into the arm of a Brit means an Irish person dies. OR perhaps its fuck all to do with borders and nationalities, and lets just concentrate on helping out everyone we can, ya daftie 

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13 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

But it’s a zero sum game. Every vaccine that goes into an arm in Spain or Germany is one that isn’t going into the arm of your mum or your cousin. 

I've read some bullshit on this thread, but this is up there with the best 

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