When will this shit end?

[HalfAnIdiot]

11 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

Also, this talk of opening pubs without booze is just crazy talk for wet led pubs!! as who the fuck goes to the pub for just a coke? This is just an excuse to remove support isn't it? as if the are able to open then can't get support 😞 

I believe the idea was to allow off-sales however that looks as if it may not go ahead now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-pub-lockdown-restrictions-curfew-b1798507.html%3famp

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by HalfAnIdiot

[shoptildrop]

This is so sad what's happening in Brazil, the poor fuckers 😞 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/feb/04/people-are-dying-at-hospital-doors-the-brazilian-volunteer-delivering-oxygen-to-manaus-video 

[Ozanne]

Today’s figures:

[Ozanne]

Vaccination update:

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Ozanne

[JoeyT]

Not sure this has been posted?

 

[zahidf]

46 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

Okay so whilst it's great to see our vaccine rollout is doing really well, this is not going to be the magic bullet to normality. Even if everyone in the UK was vaccinated next week, Covid is still running riot across the world and until globally enough people have been vaccinated (especially in those poorer countries) we are not going back to normal soon.

If we all stayed in the UK and stopped people coming in (proper lockdown the borders) we might be able to fully go back to normal, but as we want to travel places and keep UK open for business we will continue to have the risk of spreading Covid.

So even if you have been vaccinated and then travel to Goa or some place that has bog all vaccination program, you risk you spreading it to people there and it increases the risk of mutations between a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person. Plus every person that catches covid is another chance for the virus to mutate, which is the biggest global issue at the moment 😞 

I really do hope we start a slow lift of restrictions from April/Mat time but it does need to be made clear that whilst being vaccinated helps you it's not going to help the global effort yet until more people in other countries are vaccinated, so we still need to exercise caution and don't go along the I'm alright jack stance that seems to be very popular in this country  😞 

I'll also add I know not everyone needs to be vaccinated in the UK for the vaccination protection to work, I'm talking about the rest of the world needing the same protection for us to go back to the normal life we used to have.. this is not going to happen for awhile yet IMO

All im saying is that once me and my family and friend are vaccinated, we will be meeting up.

They can't enforce us not meeting up. And I don't think there's a social contract for social distancing post vaccination 

[Avalon_Fields]

9 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Not sure this has been posted?

 

Are they actually underplaying the numbers vaccinated? Or simply catching up on numbers.

[balti-pie]

1 hour ago, shoptildrop said:

Also, this talk of opening pubs without booze is just crazy talk for wet led pubs!! as who the fuck goes to the pub for just a coke? This is just an excuse to remove support isn't it? as if the are able to open then can't get support 😞 

Well, people who don’t drink alcohol still go to the pub to socialise with their friends, ta 

[HalfAnIdiot]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

All im saying is that once me and my family and friend are vaccinated, we will be meeting up.

They can't enforce us not meeting up. And I don't think there's a social contract for social distancing post vaccination 

 'enforement' isn't my motivation for sticking to the rules. I'm aware that I could still be infectious even once I've received the vaccine. I'd hate to be responsible for inadvertently passing on an infection while so many remain unprotected.

[MEGABOWL]

2 hours ago, shoptildrop said:

Okay so whilst it's great to see our vaccine rollout is doing really well, this is not going to be the magic bullet to normality. Even if everyone in the UK was vaccinated next week, Covid is still running riot across the world and until globally enough people have been vaccinated (especially in those poorer countries) we are not going back to normal soon.

If we all stayed in the UK and stopped people coming in (proper lockdown the borders) we might be able to fully go back to normal, but as we want to travel places and keep UK open for business we will continue to have the risk of spreading Covid.

So even if you have been vaccinated and then travel to Goa or some place that has bog all vaccination program, you risk you spreading it to people there and it increases the risk of mutations between a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person. Plus every person that catches covid is another chance for the virus to mutate, which is the biggest global issue at the moment 😞 

I really do hope we start a slow lift of restrictions from April/Mat time but it does need to be made clear that whilst being vaccinated helps you it's not going to help the global effort yet until more people in other countries are vaccinated, so we still need to exercise caution and don't go along the I'm alright jack stance that seems to be very popular in this country  😞 

I'll also add I know not everyone needs to be vaccinated in the UK for the vaccination protection to work, I'm talking about the rest of the world needing the same protection for us to go back to the normal life we used to have.. this is not going to happen for awhile yet IMO

Caution might be an option for a few months, maybe some light restrictions into next Spring at a push. But if it’s going to take years to vaccinate the whole world forget it. Never gonna happen.

[Ayrshire Chris]

Less than 5% testing positive in Scotland which is the WHO definition of the infection being under control. Along with the vaccine roll out this is encouraging. We just need caution and self discipline and we will edge towards a degree of normality. 

[gizmoman]

1 hour ago, shoptildrop said:

This is so sad what's happening in Brazil, the poor fuckers 😞 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/feb/04/people-are-dying-at-hospital-doors-the-brazilian-volunteer-delivering-oxygen-to-manaus-video 

Thing is Brazil has 3 times the population of the UK, an inferior health system, no restrictions at all yet they have 226,000 deaths and we have 110,000. They are living a normal life and have fewer deaths per capita as us. Anyone care to explain?

[ModernMan]

1 minute ago, gizmoman said:

Thing is Brazil has 3 times the population of the UK, an inferior health system, no restrictions at all yet they have 226,000 deaths and we have 110,000. They are living a normal life and have fewer deaths per capita as us. Anyone care to explain?

Well the country is about 30 times the size of the UK for starters 

[gizmoman]

2 minutes ago, ModernMan said:

Well the country is about 30 times the size of the UK for starters 

True, but most of the population live in urban areas,

87.6 % of the population is urban (186,217,070 people in 2020)

 

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Thing is Brazil has 3 times the population of the UK, an inferior health system, no restrictions at all yet they have 226,000 deaths and we have 110,000. They are living a normal life and have fewer deaths per capita as us. Anyone care to explain?

Average age ? the uk presumably has an older population that are susceptible ? 

[Mr.Tease]

6 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Thing is Brazil has 3 times the population of the UK, an inferior health system, no restrictions at all yet they have 226,000 deaths and we have 110,000. They are living a normal life and have fewer deaths per capita as us. Anyone care to explain?

Weather, climate, likely play a factor (I'm assuming since our rates fell over summer), also you have to look at where the outbreaks are occurring in Brazil- is it just in certain cities or is there an even spread throughout the country? What's public transport use like? Do people socialise indoors or outdoors, etc etc.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Thing is Brazil has 3 times the population of the UK, an inferior health system, no restrictions at all yet they have 226,000 deaths and we have 110,000. They are living a normal life and have fewer deaths per capita as us. Anyone care to explain?

maybe it's because they're better looking.

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Average age ? the uk presumably has an older population that are susceptible ? 

I do wonder the impact demographics will have when it comes to the global impact of this (for some reason, it's not mentioned much)- is it going to be a threatening to countries that have smaller older populations? I'm presuming so, though does the lack of health care counter act that and push up the mortality rates?

[gizmoman]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Average age ? the uk presumably has an older population that are susceptible ? 

Could be,median age 40.5 for us 33.5 for them.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, gizmoman said:

Could be,median age 40.5 for us 33.5 for them.

obesity also a factor ... ? 

[stuartbert two hats]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Weather, climate, likely play a factor (I'm assuming since our rates fell over summer), also you have to look at where the outbreaks are occurring in Brazil- is it just in certain cities or is there an even spread throughout the country? What's public transport use like? Do people socialise indoors or outdoors, etc etc.

And B117.

[gizmoman]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe it's because they're better looking.

Well they look pretty healthy on the whole, so if there's less obesity etc. that would play a part, thinking about it I recon the sunshine & vitamin D levels will be a factor too.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Well they look pretty healthy on the whole, so if there's less obesity etc. that would play a part, thinking about it I recon the sunshine & vitamin D levels will be a factor too.

and maybe it's because the place is fucking massive

[Ayrshire Chris]

Could also be the reporting in Brazil isn’t as accurate as we do. 

[shoptildrop]

1 hour ago, balti-pie said:

Well, people who don’t drink alcohol still go to the pub to socialise with their friends, ta 

The point being wet led pubs make their money from booze sales, it's in no way having a pop and folk that don't drink booze ... putting this ridiculous plan in place would be final nail in coffin for wet led pubs 😞