When will this shit end?

[Homer]

Upvoting is only virtue signalling anyway.

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Nope, he left it a while ago (with a cordial resignation letter explaining it wasn't ideological) so he could write more freely without his membership of the party interfering with it

I watch a bit of Novara Media and I honestly thought he was still a member.

 

[km9]

1 hour ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

IMO this thread is a bit of an echo chamber and is quick to pounce and 'put right' differing views.

Agreed 

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, Homer said:

Upvoting is only virtue signalling anyway.

That day was fun, when someone got angry at me for saying I would delay my vaccination so someone else more vulnerable could have one. 😉

Edited February 6, 2021 by Ozanne

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I watch a bit of Novara Media and I honestly thought he was still a member.

 

It's a good show, with good guests! 

[Ozanne]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

It's a good show, with good guests! 

I really like the host Michael Walker (I think) genuinely good at the job and seems to work hard at learning the topics too. 

[zahidf]

Some optimism

[stuartbert two hats]

38 minutes ago, BobWillis said:

The real problem is going to be as we get deeper and deeper into this national lockdown, how do you distinguish between whether a reduction in deaths was caused by lockdown or vaccination? Particular as the bulk of vaccinations started the first week of lockdown. 
At some point soon, hopefully very soon, deaths are going to begin to fall dramatically in all age groups due to lockdown. It’s going to be a nightmare to try say for certain that the vaccines are working. 

By age range. Older ages have vaccines+lockdown. Other age groups only have lockdown. That's what's being seen in Israel.

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That day was fun, when someone got angry at me for saying I would delay my vaccination so someone else more vulnerable could have one. 😉

Someone else in another country*

Which was virtue signalling cause it's something you'd never actually have to make a choice about so it's easy enough to say you'd do it.

[HalfAnIdiot]

21 minutes ago, Homer said:

No it isn't.

It isn't my opinion?

[stuartbert two hats]

53 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There is, and that's one of the things we need to continue to monitor and measure as we open up gradually. If it proves to be correct, we can drop restrictions quicker, if it's not working that way in practice, we slow down. 

To me that's eminently more sensible than just betting on it being correct and opening everything at once (although I do think that is what Johnson will do, on the day the last adult is offered a jab).

I agree with all of that, we should still proceed as if it doesn't slow spread, even though we strongly suspect it does - and increasingly so with two doses.

And most importantly, if thing start heading in the wrong direction, react much, much more quickly than last time.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Mr.Tease said:

It was pretty obvious this would happen because its all the labour right do (leak to the press and complain about the leader) because they have no ideas. To be fair, it's all any labour faction does😂, but the right have the deferential media access so it has a more damaging impact. 

Anyways he's managed to p off the left, and once the right starts gunning for him, I'm not sure who defends him. Wish he'd just stuck to what he said he was going to be like in the leadership contest. 

Personally, as poor as I think he's been, there is no one waiting in the wings, and I'd rather give him more time to fathom it out- it's a nightmare of a job and takes more than a year to get to grips with it. 

 

isn't he kind of popular with the general public...?

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, BobWillis said:

The real problem is going to be as we get deeper and deeper into this national lockdown, how do you distinguish between whether a reduction in deaths was caused by lockdown or vaccination? Particular as the bulk of vaccinations started the first week of lockdown. 
At some point soon, hopefully very soon, deaths are going to begin to fall dramatically in all age groups due to lockdown. It’s going to be a nightmare to try say for certain that the vaccines are working. 

and then which vaccines are working...?

[steviewevie]

51 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Bastani was chucked out the party this week wasn't he?

I think he's a pratt...

[steviewevie]

38 minutes ago, km9 said:

Agreed 

yeah, it's full of right wing lockdown sceptics.

[ShakeyCrash]

25 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Someone else in another country*

Which was virtue signalling cause it's something you'd never actually have to make a choice about so it's easy enough to say you'd do it.

My personal favourite was the fake news debate where you ended up agreeing.  Made me cry happy tears that one 🙂

[stuartbert two hats]

43 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Some optimism

This is a good take.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Hahaha wheres my votes gone?!

Absolutely gutted I cant come on after a bev and spam downvotes to the vote sensitive anymore. But delighted to have made such a major contribution to the demise of the regressive vote system. Efestivals takes another step towards becoming a truly egalitarian, socialist utopia!

#downvotegate 

err...yeah, nice one.

[Ozanne]

 

[MEGABOWL]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

Some optimism

Good read. Not sure the Zero Covid cheerleaders would agree though.

 

https://unherd.com/2021/02/inside-the-zero-covid-campaign/

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by MEGABOWL

[stuartbert two hats]

Deaths and admissions seem to be coming down. How is it on the ground for Mrs @Lycra? Is she seeing any signs of improvement?

[MEGABOWL]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Good to see in terms of the numbers but whew, that’s still a lot of people

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Good to see in terms of the numbers but whew, that’s still a lot of people

It really is, goes to show how bad it got. But at least it’s coming down. 

[shoptildrop]

Okay so whilst it's great to see our vaccine rollout is doing really well, this is not going to be the magic bullet to normality. Even if everyone in the UK was vaccinated next week, Covid is still running riot across the world and until globally enough people have been vaccinated (especially in those poorer countries) we are not going back to normal soon.

If we all stayed in the UK and stopped people coming in (proper lockdown the borders) we might be able to fully go back to normal, but as we want to travel places and keep UK open for business we will continue to have the risk of spreading Covid.

So even if you have been vaccinated and then travel to Goa or some place that has bog all vaccination program, you risk you spreading it to people there and it increases the risk of mutations between a vaccinated person and a non vaccinated person. Plus every person that catches covid is another chance for the virus to mutate, which is the biggest global issue at the moment 😞 

I really do hope we start a slow lift of restrictions from April/Mat time but it does need to be made clear that whilst being vaccinated helps you it's not going to help the global effort yet until more people in other countries are vaccinated, so we still need to exercise caution and don't go along the I'm alright jack stance that seems to be very popular in this country  😞 

I'll also add I know not everyone needs to be vaccinated in the UK for the vaccination protection to work, I'm talking about the rest of the world needing the same protection for us to go back to the normal life we used to have.. this is not going to happen for awhile yet IMO

[shoptildrop]

Also, this talk of opening pubs without booze is just crazy talk for wet led pubs!! as who the fuck goes to the pub for just a coke? This is just an excuse to remove support isn't it? as if the are able to open then can't get support 😞