When will this shit end?

[JoeyT]

Edited February 4, 2021 by JoeyT

[Ozanne]

Todays figures:

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, st dan said:

Denmark and Norway now added to the list of countries to not recommend the Oxford/AZ vaccine for the over 65’s ... its all feeling a bit like the Eurovision voting now. 

kind of weird when EMA approved it...

[Toilet Duck]

7 minutes ago, st dan said:

Denmark and Norway now added to the list of countries to not recommend the Oxford/AZ vaccine for the over 65’s ... its all feeling a bit like the Eurovision voting now. 

You can kind of add Ireland to the list as well now! Currently the advice here is to preferentially use Pfizer/Moderna for over 70s (but not to withhold OX/AZ if it's the only vaccine you have in stock). Interestingly, they've recommended different gaps for 2nd doses based on age (4-6 weeks over 65, 9-12 weeks under 65). No idea where they came up with that one from! They've said they will review in a few weeks when they expect to get additional data from AZ. 

Edit: I'm guessing the >65s in the OX/AZ trial all had their shot within 6 weeks, so that's why they have set an upper boundary there, whereas the younger folk had longer gaps...but I haven't really dug into the data stratified by age, so don't know for sure...

Edited February 4, 2021 by Toilet Duck

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Todays figures:

nice to see the lines on those graphs going down.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

nice to see the lines on those graphs going down.

not as fast as we'd like, but a pretty steady 25% weekly drop.

[st dan]

1 minute ago, Toilet Duck said:

You can kind of add Ireland to the list as well now! Currently the advice here is to preferentially use Pfizer/Moderna for over 70s (but not to withhold OX/AZ if it's the only vaccine you have in stock). Interestingly, they've recommended different gaps for 2nd doses based on age (4-6 weeks over 65, 9-12 weeks under 65). No idea where they came up with that one! They've said they will review in a few weeks when they expect to get additional data from AZ. 

That’s not good news (although not yet terrible I guess)  

Do you still think there is no real cause for concern yet, and you would expect data to come back confirming it is indeed effective for the over 65s too? Or is it a possibility that it’s still up in the air at this point?

[Mr.Tease]

Just now, steviewevie said:

nice to see the lines on those graphs going down.

It is indeed - I remember when they were going up in almost a vertical line and it was feared even a march style lockdown wouldnt be enough to bring it down due to the new strain- such a relief that turned out not to be true. 

Still a lot of people have died needlessly as a result of the Christmas policy (I've lost track, is it 20,000-30,000?). 

[Toilet Duck]

2 minutes ago, st dan said:

That’s not good news (although not yet terrible I guess)  

Do you still think there is no real cause for concern yet, and you would expect data to come back confirming it is indeed effective for the over 65s too? Or is it a possibility that it’s still up in the air at this point?

Honestly, it looks fine to me. The immune response in >65s is almost the same as <65 (from the Phase 2). If there's a slight drop off in efficacy in older adults, it'll likely be the same for all of them as this is pretty natural anyway. 

Edit: Of course, the really important point is that irrespective of age (and indeed the different variants), all the vaccines seem to be really good at preventing severe disease, hospitalisation and death...which is mostly what we are worrying about...I haven't seen anything yet on long Covid in vaccinated individuals that became infected, so while not impossible, it looks like these vaccines are changing how we experience SARS-CoV-2 infection. 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Toilet Duck

[stuartbert two hats]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Todays figures:

I like how steep that death curve is looking.

[jparx]

Feeling pretty positive over the last few days! Deaths still too high, but realistically given where we were a few weeks ago, things are really looking up.

[Ozanne]

Vaccination update, which includes a comparison of 1st doses from 7 days prior. @hodgey123 @stuartbert two hats How is this?

[hodgey123]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Vaccination update, which includes a comparison of 1st doses from 7 days prior. @hodgey123 @stuartbert two hats How is this?

Looks great cheers, picked a good day to show the massive increase too!

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Vaccination update, which includes a comparison of 1st doses from 7 days prior. @hodgey123 @stuartbert two hats How is this?

That's spot on! 🙂

 

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

Looks great cheers, picked a good day to show the massive increase too!

Thanks!

It's getting busy so I'm thinking of ways to amend it.

[steviewevie]

let's hope deaths from covid never get above 1000 again.

[alanr]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

But what I don’t understand is why it’s even up for debate? 

I think he was querying whether his hotels would be providing phone services.

[xxialac]

36 minutes ago, st dan said:

Norway now added to the list of countries to not recommend the Oxford/AZ vaccine for the over 65’s ... its all feeling a bit like the Eurovision voting now. 

Yesterday Switzerland and today Norway!

The EU are just shameless, aren't they. 

[eFestivals]

20 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The EU are just shameless, aren't they. 

Yup. The EU couldn't have fucked up with the AZ contract because the AZ vaccine isn't worth having anyway.

Is anyone in the EU actually falling for it?

[steviewevie]

Just now, eFestivals said:

Yup. The EU couldn't have fucked up with the AZ contract because the AZ vaccine isn't worth having anyway.

Is anyone in the EU actually falling for it?

I think the point was Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU.

[steviewevie]

Ian Dunt's experience of covid.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/what-getting-covid-has-taught-me-7297934

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think the point was Switzerland and Norway aren't in the EU.

have they even placed orders with AZ?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

have they even placed orders with AZ?

yes

[eFestivals]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yes

for delivery soon-ish, early in their deliveries of all vaccines, when they might have actually vaccinated their oldies with them?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

have they even placed orders with AZ?

actually....

Norway:
Non-EU Norway will get access to some of the vaccines obtained by the European Union thanks to Sweden, an EU member that will buy more than it needs and sell them to Norway, right after New Year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-norway-vaccine/norway-to-use-three-vaccines-to-stop-covid-19-from-early-2021-idUKKBN28E1AU?edition-redirect=uk

 

Switzerland:
 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-swiss-astrazeneca-idUSKBN2A32GV