When will this shit end?

[kalifire]

20 hours ago, Freddyflintstonree said:

I'm just saying that disparaging remarks about Capt. Tom are unnecessary. A man who, sadly, has very recently passed away and who I believe deserves respect from all of us, shouldn't be disrespected to further a point about Boris, politics or anything else. What's the need? 

I don’t believe I made any “disparaging remarks” about him. But I could talk about how he travelled to Barbados against lockdown rules, and therefore doesn’t perhaps deserve the level of messianic martyrdom he attracts. 

But he did a nice thing. So that’s fine by me. 

[st dan]

6 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I've often wondered what the actual punishment would be if it turned out it had been covered up etc.

What would the rest of the world actually do?

Yeah me too - I just don’t know.
2.5m+ manslaughter charges, collapses of whole economies and industries etc.

It’s probably better if we all just keep on ‘believing’ it was natural and started in the wet market. 

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, st dan said:

Just reading about the WHO visit to Wuhan and what findings we expect them to publish when they’ve finished their investigations - even if they do conclude it was leaked from the virology lab (presumably accidentally) would they really publish this? 

Just applying Occam's razor theory to it all, I find it very difficult to believe the wet market theory, or anything else. The immediate cover up certainly points to this theory too.  

not really, unless SARS, etc, was also leaked from a lab - as cover-up is what they've done each time.

It's one of the reasons why the nearby countries that suffered with SARS didn't take China's word for anything - because they covered up before - and immediately locked down.

[Toilet Duck]

7 minutes ago, st dan said:

Just reading about the WHO visit to Wuhan and what findings we expect them to publish when they’ve finished their investigations - even if they do conclude it was leaked from the virology lab (presumably accidentally) would they really publish this? 

Just applying Occam's razor theory to it all, I find it very difficult to believe the wet market theory, or anything else. The immediate cover up certainly points to this theory too.  

The Director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology openly admitted that she had many sleepless nights when the outbreak first occurred worrying whether it could have accidentally come from her centre, but after the sequence was published, it didn't match any of the isolates they were working on, so she breathed a huge sigh of relief! (it would help if they publicly released the sequence of all CoV isolates they have at the centre and that would put it to bed for good). It probably required a reasonable reservoir to infect a bunch of people at the same time in order for it to have a chance of spreading (one person accidentally infected could of course pass it on, but much bigger chance if it is seeded multiple times). Anyway, hopefully we'll find out so we can take steps to avoid it again! 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, st dan said:

Just reading about the WHO visit to Wuhan and what findings we expect them to publish when they’ve finished their investigations - even if they do conclude it was leaked from the virology lab (presumably accidentally) would they really publish this? 

Just applying Occam's razor theory to it all, I find it very difficult to believe the wet market theory, or anything else. The immediate cover up certainly points to this theory too.  

it's likely we'll never know the source...I'm sure there will always be accusations made about this lab, but not sure there is any evidence for this. I expect it came out of one of these markets...but you never know. China keep insisting it came in from abroad...and you never know that might be true too...but probably not. Not sure it really matters, just got to try and prevent it happens again...and that starts with how we interact and treat wildlife.

[fraybentos1]

Where is Hugo Gye with his usual 2pm tweeting of the vax figures 😡

He must be on his lunch

[parsonjack]

Reports of mixing vaccines could increase overall efficacy.....seems obvious to me.

Everyone knows if you mix a 6% lager with a 6% cider you get a 12% snakebite.

[Toilet Duck]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

it's likely we'll never know the source...I'm sure there will always be accusations made about this lab, but not sure there is any evidence for this. I expect it came out of one of these markets...but you never know. China keep insisting it came in from abroad...and you never know that might be true too...but probably not. Not sure it really matters, just got to try and prevent it happens again...and that starts with how we interact and treat wildlife.

Isolates very similar to the original version have been found in bats in Vietnam and Cambodia, so the hypothesis with the most traction in the scientific community at the moment is that live bat exports from Vietnam were the source, but we may never find out. 

Edit: Of course, CoVs from bats from all over the place are being studied in virology labs all over the place, so it doesn't rule out accidental release from a research lab!

Edited February 4, 2021 by Toilet Duck

[Freddyflintstonree]

5 minutes ago, kalifire said:

But I could talk about how he travelled to Barbados against lockdown rules. 

Incorrect. Even five seconds looking into it could tell you that. I despair. 

[philipsteak]

20 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Totally. Perhaps the civil servants can't function working from home? Or Brexit-related work got in the way?

Or maybe they just feel demotivated having to work with these truth twisters.

I remember reading, before all this, that Brexit was taking up so much of everyone's time and a hell of a lot of stuff was just getting missed or not dealt with properly

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Isolates very similar to the original version have been found in bats in Vietnam and Cambodia, so the hypothesis with the most traction in the scientific community at the moment is that live bat exports from Vietnam were the source, but we may never find out. 

Edit: Of course, CoVs from bats from all over the place are being studied in virology labs all over the place, so it doesn't rule out accidental release from a research lab!

What do China do with these bats?

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

What do China do with these bats?

Eat them

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

Eat them

Seems a no brainer to make it illegal to trade/buy/eat/whatever to these bats.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Seems a no brainer to make it illegal to trade/buy/eat/whatever to these bats.

but then I guess there would be a black market in it with no regulations or whatever....

[Paul ™]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Seems a no brainer to make it illegal to trade/buy/eat/whatever to these bats.

Lots of things are illegal to eat, doesn't stop them in Asia

[alanr]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Hotel manager on BBC news asking whether those in hotel quarantine are allowed to have phone calls...

 

Why on earth wouldn’t they be allowed? 

I think you are really misrepresenting what was said in the interview.

The manager was highlighting the lack of communication with the government, and at no time suggested that they should not be allowed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ryx9/bbc-news-at-one-04022021

(The interview starts around 8 minutes ) 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Lots of things are illegal to eat, doesn't stop them in Asia

like what? humans I guess. What else is illegal to eat?

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, alanr said:

I think you are really misrepresenting what was said in the interview.

The manager was highlighting the lack of communication with the government, and at no time suggested that they should not be allowed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ryx9/bbc-news-at-one-04022021

(The interview starts around 8 minutes ) 

But what I don’t understand is why it’s even up for debate? 

[stephos83]

30 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Where is Hugo Gye with his usual 2pm tweeting of the vax figures 😡

He must be on his lunch

Here he is:

 

 

[fraybentos1]

2 minutes ago, stephos83 said:

Here he is:

 

 

Way up on last Wednesday! That was like 312k for U.K. as a whole so way more this week.

[Ayrshire Chris]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

like what? humans I guess. What else is illegal to eat?

It’s probably illegal to kill certain living creatures to eat, ie protected species but maybe actually consuming a dead animal isn’t illegal, such as road kill. We’ve got a microbiology expert in @toiletduckso perhaps we need a lawyer as well!   Pretty sure that eating human flesh is not allowed. 

A restaurant in Glasgow, Khubla Khans, used to specialise in exotic meats such a zebra, wild boar, crocodile, kangaroo etc but I am sure humans weren’t on the menu. It was a trendy place for office parties etc.  Strangely it’s opening coincided with the closing of a local zoo. 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Ayrshire Chris

[Toilet Duck]

46 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

What do China do with these bats?

When I go out for dinner in China, if we go ourselves, we usually find places that have similar food to what you would get in a Chinese restaurant over this side of the world and I can generally recognise what I'm eating. When I go out with Chinese colleagues, they order the food (loads of it) and honestly, it's like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom...No idea what I'm eating...some of it is fantastic, other bits, not so much!

Edit: I remember going into a restaurant in Seoul once, entire menu in Korean, no pictures, nobody spoke a world of English, I speak no Korean...just pointed at something on the menu that wasn't the cheapest thing, but also wasn't the most expensive...to this day I have no idea what it was (it was lovely mind you!). 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Toilet Duck

[zahidf]

24 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Way up on last Wednesday! That was like 312k for U.K. as a whole so way more this week.

50% more or so

[fraybentos1]

Just now, zahidf said:

50% more or so

This is gonna be a big week I think- next 3 days could be big numbers. Would expect over 3 mil this week overall 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

When I go out for dinner in China, if we go ourselves, we usually find places that have similar food to what you would get in a Chinese restaurant over this side of the world and I can generally recognise what I'm eating. When I go out with Chinese colleagues, they order the food (loads of it) and honestly, it's like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom...No idea what I'm eating...some of it is fantastic, other bits, not so much!

Edit: I remember going into a restaurant in Seoul once, entire menu in Korean, no pictures, nobody spoke a world of English, I speak no Korean...just pointed at something on the menu that wasn't the cheapest thing, but also wasn't the most expensive...to this day I have no idea what it was (it was lovely mind you!). 

yummy puppy.