When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I think Pfizer AND AZ have plants in Belgium- I think the EU are targeting the AZ plant, not the Pfizer one

but AZ also manufactured in UK?

[Toilet Duck]

4 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

That's been my fear, but I'm wondering, have we got muddled up? In the guardian article I think they said AZ also has a manufacturing plant in Belgium (as well as Pfizer), so it's that that maybe the EU is targeting/threatening/extorting- that would make much more sense than taking it out on Pfizer.

Basically the EU is saying: we suspect you're still exporting the required quantities of the vaccine to the UK (in addition to the ones made in the UK), so we want you to declare want you're up to. And even if you're not exporting, we want you to send some made in the UK to us or we'll make your life difficult.

Yeah, UK supply of the AZ vaccine is 80/20 domestic vs EU manufactured, so I suspect that are asking for clarity on whether doses manufactured in the EU are being sent to the UK while not being able to deliver what was ordered. 

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I think Pfizer AND AZ have plants in Belgium- I think the EU are targeting the AZ plant, not the Pfizer one

The proposed regulations would effect ALL vaccine exports. 

As i said, if its becuase they delayed signing the contract by 3 months, then thats on them really

[steviewevie]

 

[Copperface]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

but AZ vaccine we get is manufactured here.

Most of the vials currently being F&F'd are European made, primarily Germany.

DWK have a new specialist vial making site in Stoke coming online sometime this year. They supply the VMIC. Components of the vaccines are also imported.

[Mr.Tease]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The proposed regulations would effect ALL vaccine exports. 

As i said, if its becuase they delayed signing the contract by 3 months, then thats on them really

It would, but the real target at the moment is AZ, as they couldn't really justify targeting Pfizer who have nothing to do with this dispute (though maybe they caught wind of pfizer suddenly upping supply in the US while reducing it in the EU while they re-jigged their manufacturing process) 

[steviewevie]

 

[xxialac]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I haven't thought about Play School in about 30 years.

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

It would, but the real target at the moment is AZ, as they couldn't really justify targeting Pfizer who have nothing to do with this dispute (though maybe they caught wind of pfizer suddenly upping supply in the US while reducing it in the EU while they re-jigged their manufacturing process) 

Yep I think there’s nothing wrong with the EU looking for answers and trying to sort the problem for their people. It seems to be a miss-understanding or somethings gone wrong in the supply chain. I find it humorous that people are jumping on the EU.

[Copperface]

9 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I haven't thought about Play School in about 30 years.

At least she had it through the round window....

[DeanoL]

48 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah all the EU want is their order to be fulfilled on time as per the contract. It’s not too outrageous to expect that and if there has been a breach of contract then action should be taken to rectify that. 

Right, but I'd say it's at least a bit outrageous to suggest that they keep their contract with the EU by breaking their contract with the UK! Which would be the result of diverting stock from the UK to the EU.

[Mellotr0n]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Right, but I'd say it's at least a bit outrageous to suggest that they keep their contract with the EU by breaking their contract with the UK! Which would be the result of diverting stock from the UK to the EU.

Indeed.

The EU screwed up with their ludicrously slow approval and taking 3 months’ to complete a deal that apparently was pretty much done in the first 2-3 weeks, and it’s the UK who should suffer why?

[Ozanne]

Today’s figures:

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Ozanne

[Fuzzy Afro]

I was never a Brexiteer but staying out of all this bureaucracy and just getting on with the job in hand is the first genuine benefit we are seeing from Brexit. There’s definitely a lot of downsides of Brexit but it’s important to celebrate the upsides while still bemoaning the downsides. 

[Tartan_Glasto]

Is that us officially over 100,000 deaths now?

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Today’s figures:

 

20,000 isn’t bad at all given where we were three weeks or so ago.

 

Let’s keep up the good work. Staying in lockdown to keep R < 1 plus the ongoing vaccination programme will have us in a much better place come March/April time. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Today’s figures:

 

cases really dropping now...hospitailsations seems past it's peak, hopefully deaths is at or near peak.

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I was never a Brexiteer but staying out of all this bureaucracy and just getting on with the job in hand is the first genuine benefit we are seeing from Brexit. There’s definitely a lot of downsides of Brexit but it’s important to celebrate the upsides while still bemoaning the downsides. 

I would perhaps generously call it 'following due process'.

Suspect for every time it's a 'win' to make a decision more quickly, equally there will be times where it would have been times when it would have been better to make a decision more carefully.

Exactly the same argument applies within the UK.

Should Westminster have more power or local government?

Pros and cons of both.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

By killing a large amount of people in their own country and risking stability at home (and abroad) which they're desperate to hold on to? I don't know. I think they just covered it up, hoped they could contain it and it would just go away....

Maybe, the whole timeline of their behaviour is extremely odd, though. And now they’re trying to suggest it didn’t even originate in China? If they expect the world to believe that what else do they expect is to believe? If you watched the Outbreak doc they also had undercover footage of healthcare professionals essentially saying it was all a big cover up. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

cases really dropping now...hospitailsations seems past it's peak, hopefully deaths is at or near peak.

we have had comparatively lower deaths the last couple of days ( not that they didnt happen ) but todays seems like a catch up ... infections dropping further still on a positive trend

[Ozanne]

It always starts with ‘I’m not a Brexiteer but...’ 😉

There’s nothing we are doing now that being part of the EU would be preventing. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Ozanne

[zahidf]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yep I think there’s nothing wrong with the EU looking for answers and trying to sort the problem for their people. It seems to be a miss-understanding or somethings gone wrong in the supply chain. I find it humorous that people are jumping on the EU.

Its not a misunderstanding....

Its a contractual dispute between the EU and AZ. EU are seemingly bringing in UK supply numbers and want some of our stock. I do t think its more complicated than that (and doesn't put the EU in a good light)

[Ozanne]

Vaccination update:

[zahidf]

Just now, Ozanne said:

It always starts with ‘I’m not a Brexiteer but...’ 😉 There’s absolutely nothing we are doing now that being part of the EU would be preventing. 

Lol...

 

That's just not true. If Germany was forced to use the EU system we would have done. 

I'm definitely anti brexit but this is a rare instance where we are better of not involved in the vaccine procurement.

[Ozanne]

Just now, zahidf said:

Lol...

 

That's just not true. If Germany was forced to use the EU system we would have done. 

I'm definitely anti brexit but this is a rare instance where we are better of not involved in the vaccine procurement.

Nope. Germany chose to opt into the EU scheme, member states could have approved vaccines for Emergency Approval individually. If we had done that would have been by choice, so we could have carried on as we are now if we were still part of the EU.