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Just now, Ozanne said:

I didn’t mean anyone else that does that is a loser. Just talking about myself in that regards. I tend to follow rules.

Some of restrictions will possibly be place once the vulnerable get vaccinated whilst they roll it out others so I’ll stick to those rules like I’ve done all the rest.

And I was responding by saying you are not a looser ... people have a different take on things and how comfortable they will be .. !! 

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25 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

me neither, but it depends what you're meaning exactly with "once the vaccien is distribuited".

If we can only vaccinate 1 million a week, that'll be a year before everyone is vaccinated.

They reckon 100,000 a week at Ashton Gate alone.

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Just now, shuttlep said:

Will anyone else find it a bit weird when you can hug people and see people being hugged.

 

 

it feels like it has been forever 

Unfortunately I’ve seen some hugging happening at my work ... it’s made me cringe and recoil in horror to be honest .... not much of a hugger personally .... but once every now and again it’s missed 😀

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17 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I didn’t mean anyone else that does that is a loser. Just talking about myself in that regards. I tend to follow rules.

Some of restrictions will possibly be place once the vulnerable get vaccinated whilst they roll it out others so I’ll stick to those rules like I’ve done all the rest.

You're not a loser. And following the rules certainly doesn't make someone a loser.

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47 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

problem is, while the public might ignore the guidelines, it still would fuck festivals and gigs because they'd have to work guidelines which would limit audiences.

And even if they didn't, if people want to follow the guidelines and gigs aren't, they won't go. And most gigs won't work if demand just drops by 20 or 30%.

34 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

Probably - we'll continue to be sensible about it. When things opened up our attitude was it was fine to see people in our home that had been taking the same sort of level of risk as us (so working at home, not going to pubs, etc) but didn't want to increase our number of secondary contacts by loads.

I'm worried there will be a bit of a multiplicative effect with the vaccine too: when many of those that have it literally stop giving a shit, so won't give you space in pubs, supermarkets, on pathways, won't wear a mask, etc. Some people act like that already, I feel like that number will increase hugely as the vaccine rolls out, especially in people that have had it. That's going to drive those who haven't to isolate even further as they'll no longer feel safe in these places, where they might have before.

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3 minutes ago, duke88 said:

You're not a loser. And following the rules certainly doesn't make someone a loser.

Thanks. It feels like it sometimes, it feels harder to keep following the rules when people around you are starting not to care. Sorry just having a rubbish spell.

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3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

So, looks like they've made a decision on GCSEs and A levels, they'll go ahead but students will be given advance notice of what is in the exam and be able to take in exam aids. So, they're happening. I guess want to get away from any teacher bias in assesments.

One thing with my kid though who is doing GCSEs, they really are just learning how best to pass these particular exams from different exam boards, they don't seem to be learning anything actually useful.

Literally my entire GCSEs and ALevels is learning to jump through academic hoops for examiners only to unlearn it for uni Teachers knew that too, would just train to do exams. I learned a lot at uni though

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8 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

They reckon 100,000 a week at Ashton Gate alone.

Yep.

This 1 million a week figure needs to be squashed, fast.

They do more than that for the Flu vaccine, and that's without getting the army, medical students, retired doctors/nurses, and others involved.

So, time for some beer mat maths -

There's at least 3 different routes to vaccination being set up.

- Vaccine Hubs - as are being set up in major cities to handle the Pfizer vaccine - the larger ones are expected to be able to handle tens of thousands a week. We're hosting one at work and while I don't have expected numbers (and the size of the space seems smaller than I'd expect), we've been told "Once open to patients it will be in operation seven days a week until Spring 2021." and that there'll be traffic management put in place, so it does sound like they're expecting to get through a lot of people quickly.

- NHS Trusts - to be honest I've not seen much said on the capacity of these but it should be substantial.

- PCNs - Every PCN (local GP network) has been asked to set up a vaccination centre capable of handling a minimum of 975 vaccinations a week. Larger PCNs have been asked to look at multiple centres. I think (but haven't seen confirmed yet), that these centres are going to be exclusively used for the Oxford vaccine. With approximately 1,300 PCNs in England alone, that's over 1.25 million a week before you start counting the Scotch and the Welsh - and that's assuming everywhere only meets their minimum requirement - it's likely to be much, much higher.

 

Basically - unless something goes seriously wrong there's enough overcapacity built into the above that any constraint should be on vaccine supply not on capacity to inject it.

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3 minutes ago, incident said:

Yep.

This 1 million a week figure needs to be squashed, fast.

They do more than that for the Flu vaccine, and that's without getting the army, medical students, retired doctors/nurses, and others involved.

So, time for some beer mat maths -

There's at least 3 different routes to vaccination being set up.

- Vaccine Hubs - as are being set up in major cities to handle the Pfizer vaccine - the larger ones are expected to be able to handle tens of thousands a week. We're hosting one at work and while I don't have expected numbers (and the size of the space seems smaller than I'd expect), we've been told "Once open to patients it will be in operation seven days a week until Spring 2021." and that there'll be traffic management put in place, so it does sound like they're expecting to get through a lot of people quickly.

- NHS Trusts - to be honest I've not seen much said on the capacity of these but it should be substantial.

- PCNs - Every PCN (local GP network) has been asked to set up a vaccination centre capable of handling a minimum of 975 vaccinations a week. Larger PCNs have been asked to look at multiple centres. I think (but haven't seen confirmed yet), that these centres are going to be exclusively used for the Oxford vaccine. With approximately 1,300 PCNs in England alone, that's over 1.25 million a week before you start counting the Scotch and the Welsh - and that's assuming everywhere only meets their minimum requirement - it's likely to be much, much higher.

 

Basically - unless something goes seriously wrong there's enough overcapacity built into the above that any constraint should be on vaccine supply not on capacity to inject it.

If/When the Oxford vaccine is approved, we should be able to vaccinate substantial amounts of people by early March i reckon

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17 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Thanks. It feels like it sometimes, it feels harder to keep following the rules when people around you are starting not to care. Sorry just having a rubbish spell.

Interested to know your reasoning - is it long covid you're worried about or the small number who might remain vulnerable even after vaccine? 

Edit - that small number bit isnt meant to be patronising- they are people too and as a society we're about to fail them.(and I'm cheerleading that I guess) 

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1 minute ago, zahidf said:

If/When the Oxford vaccine is approved, we should be able to vaccinate substantial amounts of people by early March i reckon

I think they're very much waiting on that before giving a more solid timeline on things.

Oxford's vaccine coming online makes a HUGE difference to speed of rollout.

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1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Unfortunately I’ve seen some hugging happening at my work ... it’s made me cringe and recoil in horror to be honest .... not much of a hugger personally .... but once every now and again it’s missed 😀

 

Just now, JoeyT said:

You certainly won't see any "Free Hugs" signs for a while :lol:

It just feels like I haven't seen any hugging, (apart from immediate family ) I am so missing sweaty random rave hugs....... 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

I think they're very much waiting on that before giving a more solid timeline on things.

Oxford's vaccine coming online makes a HUGE difference to speed of rollout.

What’s the latest thought on when that could get approved? JVT was very coy on it this morning but did say he was hopeful before Christmas/NY.

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Just now, jparx said:

What’s the latest thought on when that could get approved? JVT was very coy on it this morning but did say he was hopeful before Christmas/NY.

he was coy .... but I think it will be earlier ... they will be busting a gut to get that announced before Christmas 

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Just now, crazyfool1 said:

he was coy .... but I think it will be earlier ... they will be busting a gut to get that announced before Christmas 

That will be the biggie. I imagine they can get up and running even quicker than the Pfizer one, so here’s hoping we get approval and first few needles going in before crimbo. 

I reckon the govt will become even more bullish once that gets over the line. 

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1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 

I dont know why Fauci and the EU are doing this tbh. They need as many people as possible everywhere to take the vaccine and arguments like that just reduces trust, especially if they are also going to be approving the same vaccine!

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1 minute ago, zahidf said:

I dont know why Fauci and the EU are doing this tbh. They need as many people as possible everywhere to take the vaccine and arguments like that just reduces trust, especially if they are also going to be approving the same vaccine!

Yes! I made that point to my girlfriend this morning.

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