When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

 

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Looks like Wales jumped the gun before central government tell them they're allowed to announce it I think 😂

As it this isn't where we'll end up...

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I mean that was obvious anyway 😂 we can approve our own vaccines as it is hence we have the MHRA. 

[Paul ™]

20 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

It's not ID cards

#fakenews

[zahidf]

• The JCVI says some public sector workers should get priority in the second phase of the vaccine roll-out (ie, after the groups on the list have been vaccinated). It says:

Vaccination of those at increased risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 due to their occupation could also be a priority in the next phase. This could include first responders, the military, those involved in the justice system, teachers, transport workers, and public servants essential to the 10 pandemic response. Priority occupations for vaccination are considered an issue of policy, rather than for JCVI to advise on. JCVI asks that the Department of Health and Social Care consider occupational vaccination in collaboration with other government departments.

[zahidf]

Q: When might the other vaccines be approved?

Raine says she cannot predict that. Every parcel of data is being scrutinised. She says the Commission on Human Medicines expert working group will be working over Christmas on this.

That implies that approval for the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, or the Moderna vaccine, might not happen until after Christmas.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I mean that was obvious anyway 😂 we can approve our own vaccines as it is hence we have the MHRA. 

yeah, but govt have played it as a benefit of brexit...when it isn't.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Q: When might the other vaccines be approved?

Raine says she cannot predict that. Every parcel of data is being scrutinised. She says the Commission on Human Medicines expert working group will be working over Christmas on this.

That implies that approval for the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, or the Moderna vaccine, might not happen until after Christmas.

not sure it implies anything more than they'll do it as fast as they possibly can and that xmas won't cause a delay if it takes that long.

[incident]

10 minutes ago, zahidf said:

That implies that approval for the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, or the Moderna vaccine, might not happen until after Christmas.

Moderna would be the obvious one. Don't think anyone was expecting approval for Moderna quite as quickly as Pfizer or Oxford anyway.

Partly because they only filed a couple days ago, and partly because unlike the other 2 they've not been subject to a rolling review for as long so there'll be more work to do on it.

If Oxford isn't approved before Christmas (and probably within the next 2 weeks), then it'll indicate that either the data quality isn't good enough (yet), or they've spotted something they don't like. It's far more likely to be the former, while scare stories presume the latter.

Edited December 2, 2020 by incident

[jparx]

12 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Q: When might the other vaccines be approved?

Raine says she cannot predict that. Every parcel of data is being scrutinised. She says the Commission on Human Medicines expert working group will be working over Christmas on this.

That implies that approval for the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, or the Moderna vaccine, might not happen until after Christmas.

I’d imagine that’s possibly more in reference to the Moderna vaccine?

edit: yeah, as Incident lays out.

Edited December 2, 2020 by jparx

[steviewevie]

 

[zahidf]

 

[Ozanne]

The vaccine is dominating PMQs so far and rightly so. 

[ace56blaa]

How long can we sit and watch the absolute wretch lie and spew shit, not even well written shit, General Indecision. - Boris knows exactly why Keir abstained, but yet chooses to manipulate the public into thinking labour is working against their interests. When Keir literally wanted to help support job lost by Arcadia group and yet again put his hand out to the prime-minister. Shame Keir didn't bring up the Tory Rebellion

[squirrelarmy]

Bojo is rattled by the SNP. 

[Homer]

Even by his own standards, Johnson is really running this 'Starmer abstained' line into the ground isn't he?!

[Homer]

For anyone who missed it, this is basically what happened

[Ozanne]

20 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Bojo is rattled by the SNP. 

I stopped watching, what happened?

3 minutes ago, Homer said:

For anyone who missed it, this is basically what happened

Starmer seemed statesmenlike today, focussing on the 2 big issues facing the country being the vaccine and insolvencies of 2 big businesses. Johnson just had to bring it back round and attack Starmer, hopefully people will notice one leader was trying to be non-partisan. 

[Homer]

[Ozanne]

Ruh roh

[Ayrshire Chris]

53 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Bojo is rattled by the SNP. 

Blackford is one dour character.   I’m waiting for him to say ‘ we will take no vaccine approval from Tories down south and will wait for the McVaccine to be developed’   After all,  historically they seem to blame the UK government for everything whether it’s tory or labour! 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Ruh roh

if that all happens then looks like it will be no deal...unless last minute something happens and Johnson will clain it was because of this bill that EU caved in.

[efcfanwirral]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

if that all happens then looks like it will be no deal...unless last minute something happens and Johnson will clain it was because of this bill that EU caved in.

I hope that the EU stand firm and somehow make it impossible to blame them for no deal, which I think we've known we were always heading towards anyway. 

[alanr]

44 minutes ago, Homer said:

Hancock's offer to be publicly vaccinated reminds me of when John Gummer tried to feed his young daughter a burger during the BSE (mad cow disease). This was intended to raise public confidence in british beef, it did not go down well.

Alan