When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah I just feel like if in March there's a pub still running at 70% capacity, doing table service and social distancing between groups, and one that is just running a free-for-all, I think the former will actually be busier.

Probably right- media's fault for terrifying people then. 

I guess the former would be much nicer without the young fighting and leering over the women....

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

I think ASOS, BooHoo etc has probably had the biggest impact. 

This too, but Primark has coped pretty well this year despite not selling online at all.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'm thinking if Farage's party of hate get in when people realise Brexit didn't mean we kick the muslims out or if a deeply socialist government gets in and decides equality must be aggressively enforced (which isn't out the question when it's the current younger generation in power in the future) 

1) There is literally no chance of Farage's new party getting any where near power. He didn't even get elected as an MP at UKIP's peak and Brexit Party got 0 seats at the gen election. It is a 2 party system.

2) Younger people might have voted in larger numbers for Corbyn but younger people have always been further left than oldies yet we have never seen this socialist gov. Why? Cause people change their views as they get older.

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I think its dystopian and ridiculous considering the size of the threat once the vulnerable are vaccinated but ill obviously do it (despite the fact I dont really understand why) 110% purely selfishly for myself because I want to do stuff 

I just hope people don't complain when this system, once people get used to it, gets co-opted by a future government for much more dodgy means. 

I'm thinking if Farage's party of hate get in when people realise Brexit didn't mean we kick the muslims out or if a deeply socialist government gets in and decides equality must be aggressively enforced (which isn't out the question when it's the current younger generation in power in the future) 

I'm sure people said "it wont happen here" every time it did. And giving the government the means to control who is allowed in places and isn't makes all future elections much more important 

its not the govt doing it though: its the private businesses who dont want social distancing

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

This too, but Primark has coped pretty well this year despite not selling online at all.

Primark are the outlier in the retail sector, mainly due to super low prices. This meant they had large pools of cash to draw on this circumstances like this year however that won’t last forever and they’ll need to start getting footfall into store soon. 

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

its not the govt doing it though: its the private businesses who dont want social distancing

I know it is for now (again I don't really understand why once the vaccines are rolled out - it's being talked about as a permanent thing) but the technology is then there, and widespread.

Facebook is a private company but ingrained in society and I bet many don't see it as a private company but an essential part of life. So once this technology is in place and an accepted part of society it's a slippery slope to China levels and traffic light systems in the wrong hands. There is no guarantee this country doesn't slide into facism/authoritarianism - there is no guarantee of that in any country. Look at Brexit and the reasons behind it - the underlying silent attitudes in this country are poison, and it's already spilling over into government - it will only get worse. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[Copperface]

16 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I think its dystopian and ridiculous considering the size of the threat once the vulnerable are vaccinated but ill obviously do it (despite the fact I dont really understand why) 110% purely selfishly for myself because I want to do stuff 

All of this 'once the vulnerable are vaccinated' stuff has been widely and continually debunked over the past several months. 

You cannot simply isolate whatever you define as 'vulnerable'. 

You can't fully remove restrictions until a critical mass of the population has been vaccinated. Even then, there are many unknowns such as reinfection rates, length of immunity and a whole host of other factors. The only ones supporting this idea are the outlier weirdos who came up with the Great Barrington Declaration, picked up by all the nutter wings of each faction.

Edited December 1, 2020 by Copperface

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, Copperface said:

All of this 'once the vulnerable are vaccinated' stuff has been widely and continually debunked over the past several months. 

You cannot simply isolate whatever you define as 'vulnerable'. 

You can't fully remove restrictions until a critical mass of the population has been vaccinated. Even the, there are many unknowns such as reinfection rates, length of immunity and a whole host of other factors. The only ones supporting this idea are the outlier weirdos who came up with the Great Barrington Declaration, picked up by all the nutter wings of each faction.

ah fuck it fair enough. the vaccine likely doesn't stop spread so it's going to be an interesting year next year when we can't lift the restrictions...

Edited December 1, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[DeanoL]

49 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Probably right- media's fault for terrifying people then. 

Sort of - but both the government and the media had to terrify people to get them to actually listen to the lockdown. It's something they've done a very good job of. But you don't row that back easily. Even with a vaccine. Vaccine seems to be 90% effective, great. But you've not gone out for a year because you're scared of getting ill or getting someone you love ill, and now you have a vaccine so the chances of that happening are now 10% of what they were before... do you really go instantly from not leaving the house to gigs and cramped public transport and busy pubs because 9 times in 10 you won't get sick any more?

It's going to be a long road back for a lot of people. 

[fraybentos1]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Sort of - but both the government and the media had to terrify people to get them to actually listen to the lockdown. It's something they've done a very good job of. But you don't row that back easily. Even with a vaccine. Vaccine seems to be 90% effective, great. But you've not gone out for a year because you're scared of getting ill or getting someone you love ill, and now you have a vaccine so the chances of that happening are now 10% of what they were before... do you really go instantly from not leaving the house to gigs and cramped public transport and busy pubs because 9 times in 10 you won't get sick any more?

It's going to be a long road back for a lot of people. 

Early reporting suggests that even if it is only 90% (or less) effective at providing full immunity, it seems to stop people that do get it from getting seriously ill.

This is about limiting strain on the NHS and deaths. If the most vulnerable aren't dying in large numbers and hospitilisations are low then why can't things start getting back to normal?

[ogriff]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

1) There is literally no chance of Farage's new party getting any where near power. He didn't even get elected as an MP at UKIP's peak and Brexit Party got 0 seats at the gen election. It is a 2 party system.

2) Younger people might have voted in larger numbers for Corbyn but younger people have always been further left than oldies yet we have never seen this socialist gov. Why? Cause people change their views as they get older.

His intention isn't to be in power, it is to shift the Tory party to the right and/or his position by threatening Tory council seats and Tory GE marginals.  

And evidence shows that it works.

[fatyeti24]

We're currently on a Zoom meeting with the top bods of Cumbria Tourism, discussing how the new tier system will affect things when we are allowed to reopen this week.  I'll not bore you with the specifics (unless you want me to!), but one thing has just popped up that I thought may be of interest.

There's been much talk about Xmas, but not so much about new year's eve (aka The Worst Night of the Year aka w*nker Night).  As things stand, if you are in an area where pubs can open, then they must close at 10pm.  First the vaccines, then this.  My cup runneth o'er with good news!

 

[Homer]

BBC news reporting they are thinking of extending the Brexit transition period - but they can’t admit that so they’re going to call it an ‘adjustment’ period instead 🤣

[Mellotr0n]

1 hour ago, Copperface said:

All of this 'once the vulnerable are vaccinated' stuff has been widely and continually debunked over the past several months. 

You cannot simply isolate whatever you define as 'vulnerable'. 

You can't fully remove restrictions until a critical mass of the population has been vaccinated. Even then, there are many unknowns such as reinfection rates, length of immunity and a whole host of other factors. The only ones supporting this idea are the outlier weirdos who came up with the Great Barrington Declaration, picked up by all the nutter wings of each faction.

I think there's a middle ground to be trodden here.

Prof Jonathan Van Tam suggested vaccinating the key/most vulnerable 33% would stop 99%+ of deaths.

It will be a gradual lifting of restrictions, based on seeing key factors (hospitalisations and deaths) drop, as it should be.

[philipsteak]

14 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

We're currently on a Zoom meeting with the top bods of Cumbria Tourism, discussing how the new tier system will affect things when we are allowed to reopen this week.  I'll not bore you with the specifics (unless you want me to!), but one thing has just popped up that I thought may be of interest.

There's been much talk about Xmas, but not so much about new year's eve (aka The Worst Night of the Year aka w*nker Night).  As things stand, if you are in an area where pubs can open, then they must close at 10pm.  First the vaccines, then this.  My cup runneth o'er with good news!

 

I'd be interested in what they say. Back in work tomorrow so I'll find out what our plans are then

New Year will be interesting. We don't do anything other than setting off fireworks at midnight but are usually booked up months in advance despite charging top whack. Although top whack in a hostel is still much less than what some of the hotels charge

[zahidf]

 

[Ryan1984]

I can’t believe I’m writing this but I think Johnson is speaking well* in the Commons. Those backbenchers are pure evil.

*With the caveat they really should be supporting hospitality/those worst affected.

[fatyeti24]

8 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

I'd be interested in what they say. Back in work tomorrow so I'll find out what our plans are then

New Year will be interesting. We don't do anything other than setting off fireworks at midnight but are usually booked up months in advance despite charging top whack. Although top whack in a hostel is still much less than what some of the hotels charge

The things that were of most interest to us were that the onus is not on us to police where guests travel from, and if we wish to sell drinks from our bar then that's fine, so long as everyone gets a free scotch egg.

We usually sell out NYE well in advance too, though we piggy back the fireworks of others that we can see from our balcony.  This year we've still got plenty of availability.

[Ozanne]

26 minutes ago, Homer said:

BBC news reporting they are thinking of extending the Brexit transition period - but they can’t admit that so they’re going to call it an ‘adjustment’ period instead 🤣

That’s just ridiculous, how many pointless deadlines have there been? The summer was a deadline then it was October, then mid November and now we have ‘days left to agree’. Here’s an idea, don’t have pick a deadline if you aren’t going to stick to it.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That’s just ridiculous, how many pointless deadlines have there been? The summer was a deadline then it was October, then mid November and now we have ‘days left to agree’. Here’s an idea, don’t have pick a deadline if you aren’t going to stick to it.

it was looking more and more likely...whole thing is a farce.

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

it was looking more and more likely...whole thing is a farce.

What’s looking more and more likely, extension?

[Ozanne]

Hahaha. Amazing. 

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

What’s looking more and more likely, extension?

yes, some sort of delay. Maybe they can sign something before end of year, and then have some implementation period for months (or years?!). A year to sort out future relationship was always extremely optimistic, and that was before the pandemic.

Edited December 1, 2020 by steviewevie

[Copperface]

38 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

I think there's a middle ground to be trodden here.

Prof Jonathan Van Tam suggested vaccinating the key/most vulnerable 33% would stop 99%+ of deaths.

It will be a gradual lifting of restrictions, based on seeing key factors (hospitalisations and deaths) drop, as it should be.

I agree.....and consistently have:

 

[jparx]