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26 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-55142724

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The damage is really starting to show now. All this talk that businesses will be asking for vaccination proof...they won't be able to afford to, nor will need to. As soon as the vulnerable are vaccinated we just need to get everything open

It's a big assumption to make that businesses will get more people by just opening up the doors, rather than continuing with some measures and restrictions.

Plenty of people will still be scared of the virus - certainly if the numbers are down in March time I might start looking at gigs and restaurants again, but I'll only be going to the ones that are still taking precautions. And there are millions like me. 

The number of people who would throw caution to the wind and just go out anyway are not numerous enough to keep most businesses going.

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8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

For all intents and purposes Lewis Hamilton has secluded himself through the season in his own motor home. He seems to have taken it very seriously but as I said no actions will give you 100% chance of not picking the virus up. 

Believe I'm right in thinking that the Williams team had a great deal of mechanics and other team members quarantining for last weekends race. Throughout most of the F1 season they've had a very low amount of positive tests and the bubble system has been proven to work fairly well. I don't think Hamilton's result is as a result of being silly, more that there is no way to be completely safe as you say. 

If the virus is spreading around the paddock after the Williams team and now Hamilton, I can see them calling a premature end to the season. At least both the constructors and drivers titles are wrapped up, although it would be a disappointing end to the race for 3rd (despite being a Mclaren fan!).

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1 minute ago, theesundayroast said:

Believe I'm right in thinking that the Williams team had a great deal of mechanics and other team members quarantining for last weekends race. Throughout most of the F1 season they've had a very low amount of positive tests and the bubble system has been proven to work fairly well. I don't think Hamilton's result is as a result of being silly, more that there is no way to be completely safe as you say. 

If the virus is spreading around the paddock after the Williams team and now Hamilton, I can see them calling a premature end to the season. At least both the constructors and drivers titles are wrapped up, although it would be a disappointing end to the race for 3rd (despite being a Mclaren fan!).

Or at the very least cancel the race this season then have the season finale as planned in just under 2 weeks? That’s if more cases come out over the next day or so. 

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1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Or at the very least cancel the race this season then have the season finale as planned in just under 2 weeks? That’s if more cases come out over the next day or so. 

I doubt they'll cancel the race. Will have to refund the broadcaster money!

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16 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Absolute semantics - the interview yesterday didn't say the government would mandate it but that private businesses "may" consider it.

In the court of public opinion its very popular- now the Mail has hold of it I think that'll grow. My dad for example hasn't even considered the idea that it WON'T happen. It's just accepted to many that's where we're going 

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Covid will end up being the perfect scapegoat for a number of poorly run businesses that will sadly be wound down like we are seeing with Arcadia Group, Debenhams. 
These were on the ropes before all of this and would have seen the same fate eventually, however this has just sped up the process. WH Smith will be next I think, amongst others that haven’t adapted with the times. 

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1 minute ago, zahidf said:

I doubt they'll cancel the race. Will have to refund the broadcaster money!

Both F1 and Sky have been fairly transparent that this could be a possibility, I really hope it doesn't but a severe outbreak could result in exactly this. With Abu Dhabi's strict quarantine rules and that being the location of the final race, I think it could be a real possibility.

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The Debenhams and Arcadia news is really shit (although hopefully Arcadia's businesses will still be bought) and not helped by Covid, but worth pointing out that both were in a shit shape long before this. Green was running that business into the ground and Debenhams was already on its second administration early this year. It kind of annoys me that Covid will likely be fully blamed for shit management, much like Brexit.

I work for an organisation that specialises in retail news so weirdly know quite a bit about this!

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2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Statement from Mercedes on Hamilton. 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but testing positive this morning after podium celebrations just over a day ago, it's possible the other drivers/ team members he interacted with might've had it passed onto them? Think this could be the first of a large amout of positive tests from the past weekend.

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3 minutes ago, st dan said:

Covid will end up being the perfect scapegoat for a number of poorly run businesses that will sadly be wound down like we are seeing with Arcadia Group, Debenhams. 
These were on the ropes before all of this and would have seen the same fate eventually, however this has just sped up the process. WH Smith will be next I think, amongst others that haven’t adapted with the times. 

Ha! Snap. Read this after mine.

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13 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

It's a big assumption to make that businesses will get more people by just opening up the doors, rather than continuing with some measures and restrictions.

Plenty of people will still be scared of the virus - certainly if the numbers are down in March time I might start looking at gigs and restaurants again, but I'll only be going to the ones that are still taking precautions. And there are millions like me. 

The number of people who would throw caution to the wind and just go out anyway are not numerous enough to keep most businesses going.

I reckon there are plenty of us. My only worry about catching it is passing it on (not that I see vulnerable people nor go anywhere but Tesco) but there's got to be a limit to this avoiding risk

I've said it before - thousands end up in hospital every winter and many die, so we need to add the flu vaccine to this proof of vaccination if we do it. Once most of the vulnerable aren't at risk of death from covid it becomes a very similar situation. 

Save the NHS = make flu vaccines mandatory in all but name too. Its double standards otherwise once the vaccine is widely rolled out in older and vulnerable people

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5 minutes ago, theesundayroast said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but testing positive this morning after podium celebrations just over a day ago, it's possible the other drivers/ team members he interacted with might've had it passed onto them? Think this could be the first of a large amout of positive tests from the past weekend.

Possibly but as he tested negative on the morning of the race hopefully they’ll get lucky and have escaped it being passed around the paddock!

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I thought the clothes shopping industry would have been one of the few that would be more resistant to the change to online shopping due to being able to try on clothes in store. Although once you know if a certain brand is going to fit you then you know you can then order them online. 
 

The high street has to adapt to the online world by providing a service that the internet can’t. I’m as guilty as anyone when it comes to online shopping, other than recently getting some work shirts I’ve not gone out to buy new clothes for a long time. I know what fits me so I order online as I really don’t want to waste a day looking around the shops. 
 

Physical stores have to give us a reason to go into them otherwise what is the incentive? Most people will always go with the convenience of online. 
 

It’s a huge shame to lose Topman and Burton from the high street, they’ve always had a massive presence in Leeds, their stores anchored either end of the main shopping street, their head office and factory used to be in the city and they sponsored Leeds Utd during their last return to top flight  football.
 

Feels like we’re losing a huge part of our history. Although sentimentality is not good for business if the market has changed. 

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21 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Absolute semantics - the interview yesterday didn't say the government would mandate it but that private businesses "may" consider it.

In the court of public opinion its very popular- now the Mail has hold of it I think that'll grow. My dad for example hasn't even considered the idea that it WON'T happen. It's just accepted to many that's where we're going 

I'm fine with it myself once the vaccine if freely available. (If it isn't, that's another issue)

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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm fine with it myself once the vaccine if freely available. (If it isn't, that's another issue)

I think its dystopian and ridiculous considering the size of the threat once the vulnerable are vaccinated but ill obviously do it (despite the fact I dont really understand why) 110% purely selfishly for myself because I want to do stuff 

I just hope people don't complain when this system, once people get used to it, gets co-opted by a future government for much more dodgy means. 

I'm thinking if Farage's party of hate get in when people realise Brexit didn't mean we kick the muslims out or if a deeply socialist government gets in and decides equality must be aggressively enforced (which isn't out the question when it's the current younger generation in power in the future) 

I'm sure people said "it wont happen here" every time it did. And giving the government the means to control who is allowed in places and isn't makes all future elections much more important 

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17 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I reckon there are plenty of us. My only worry about catching it is passing it on (not that I see vulnerable people nor go anywhere but Tesco) but there's got to be a limit to this avoiding risk

I've said it before - thousands end up in hospital every winter and many die, so we need to add the flu vaccine to this proof of vaccination if we do it. Once most of the vulnerable aren't at risk of death from covid it becomes a very similar situation. 

Yeah I just feel like if in March there's a pub still running at 70% capacity, doing table service and social distancing between groups, and one that is just running a free-for-all, I think the former will actually be busier.

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