When will this shit end?

[Billy Corgan's Ego]

A Pandoras box has just been opened.

Trying to reinforce a household visiting ban, particularly around new year, is going to be like pissing in the wind. The no mixing rule has just been irreversibly diluted. 

[Ozanne]

Support bubbles between 2 households count as 1 household for Christmas @Zoo Music Girl

Edited November 24, 2020 by Ozanne

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Support bubbles between 2 households count as 1 household for Christmas @Zoo Music Girl

Yeah that's what I was thinking of. The support bubbles thing! 

[Toilet Duck]

4 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I know you don't care what anyone thinks but just to say that I think that you will be within the rules anyway. If you all live alone then you could be two of the old style bubbles (single households can join another) so are actually only two households mixing. Presuming they keep the old bubbles?! 

It all does just start to get a bit ludicrous when you have all these conflicting specific restrictions. 

Rules for Christmas haven’t been published here yet, but they leaked this evening (they tend to do that, see how they fly with the public first!)...no specific numbers on households being planned, just asking people to be sensible and to try to plan to have just the one big gathering over the Christmas...also to try and stick to just seeing those people for the duration. Seems reasonable to me, there’s a chance most people will actually follow the recommendations and we still have another week or so of level 5 anyway, so hopefully cases will be lower again before we start a phased easing of them.

[Zoo Music Girl]

15 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Rules for Christmas haven’t been published here yet, but they leaked this evening (they tend to do that, see how they fly with the public first!)...no specific numbers on households being planned, just asking people to be sensible and to try to plan to have just the one big gathering over the Christmas...also to try and stick to just seeing those people for the duration. Seems reasonable to me, there’s a chance most people will actually follow the recommendations and we still have another week or so of level 5 anyway, so hopefully cases will be lower again before we start a phased easing of them.

I actually think that kind of guidance is a lot clearer and easier to follow.

But I also think your government has handled it better throughout so shouldn't be a surprise!

Have they clarified about cross-border visits? I know the NI politicians were wanting something on that.

[Crazyfool01]

This does help with a lot of the questions https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-a-christmas-bubble-with-friends-and-family/making-a-christmas-bubble-with-friends-and-family

[Toilet Duck]

12 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I actually think that kind of guidance is a lot clearer and easier to follow.

But I also think your government has handled it better throughout so shouldn't be a surprise!

Have they clarified about cross-border visits? I know the NI politicians were wanting something on that.

They haven’t yet, but they’ve said inter county travel will restart in Christmas week, so presumably that’s when it will be allowed. We’re still on a 5km travel restriction, expecting that to be eased to maybe 20km when non-essential retail opens back up again at the start of December, though they might wait a week and do it step by step. Wet pubs likely to stay closed throughout, though gyms and pools opening when shops do! 

[squirrelarmy]

1 hour ago, Punksnotdead said:

I will be spending xmas day with my mum, my daughter & my brother - all of whom live alone - and I don't give a fuck what the government or anyone on this forum thinks!

According to the rules posted by @crazyfool1 as long as two of the four people mentioned have formed their own support bubble they count as a single household and it looks like you’ll be fully legal to celebrate. Not that it was going to stop you anyway 🥳

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

According to the rules posted by @crazyfool1 as long as two of the four people mentioned have formed their own support bubble they count as a single household and it looks like you’ll be fully legal to celebrate. Not that it was going to stop you anyway 🥳

Which I can do, so I’ve been thinking and for people in my position it would be 4 households in reality which just adds to the risk in my head anyway 😂 

[Homer]

So, basically, can go back to Bristol from London with my wife for five days - but I have to spend the time with my family only. And that will exclude seeing any friends.

Am actually starting to think it might be more 'responsible' for the two of us to just get on a plane and sod off abroad on our own for a week.

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 minutes ago, Homer said:

So, basically, can go back to Bristol from London with my wife for five days - but I have to spend the time with my family only. And that will exclude seeing any friends.

Am actually starting to think it might be more 'responsible' for the two of us to just get on a plane and sod off abroad on our own for a week.

Depending on what tier Bristol and London are in, you can still meet friends outside your Christmas bubble (might have to be outside).

[Chapple12345]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Depending on what tier Bristol and London are in, you can still meet friends outside your Christmas bubble (might have to be outside).

Yeah the rules state you can meet people outside the bubble but it can't be in your home but it varies on the tier you're in 

[Homer]

Oh thanks guys - what a rollercoaster!
 

[Ozanne]

14 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

Yeah the rules state you can meet people outside the bubble but it can't be in your home but it varies on the tier you're in 

So in theory depending on your tier you could meet friends in a pub on Christmas Eve?

Edited November 24, 2020 by Ozanne

[shoptildrop]

This made me laugh bloody UKIP bloke is called Gammons 😆

 

[balthazarstarbuck]

3 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

This made me laugh bloody UKIP bloke is called Gammons 😆

 

Poor Rory Stewart. Hope MI6 will take him back.

[Ryan1984]

Do you reckon we will get a leak of tiers tomorrow? 

[zahidf]

@Toilet Duck

 

Have you seen this? Bit of a concern on the Oxford vaccine

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 hour ago, Toilet Duck said:

Rules for Christmas haven’t been published here yet, but they leaked this evening (they tend to do that, see how they fly with the public first!)...no specific numbers on households being planned, just asking people to be sensible and to try to plan to have just the one big gathering over the Christmas...also to try and stick to just seeing those people for the duration. Seems reasonable to me, there’s a chance most people will actually follow the recommendations and we still have another week or so of level 5 anyway, so hopefully cases will be lower again before we start a phased easing of them.

I thought that was just the M.O. of Boris and Cummings, seems it’s done outside the UK as well. 

18 minutes ago, balthazarstarbuck said:

Poor Rory Stewart. Hope MI6 will take him back.

He dropped out didn’t he? 

[Chapple12345]

37 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So in theory depending on your tier you could meet friends in a pub on Christmas Eve?

Possibly but only if it were outside, however I'm not sure as its said christmas bubbles can't meet in pubs or restaurants 

[shoptildrop]

21 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Do you reckon we will get a leak of tiers tomorrow? 

Without a doubt!!! Manchester will be in the secret worst tier given we had 2 call outs today on how naughty we were standing up for ourselves

[Toilet Duck]

21 minutes ago, zahidf said:

@Toilet Duck

 

Have you seen this? Bit of a concern on the Oxford vaccine

 

It’s not ideal, but they are still over the threshold for the trial passing, so they are still ok and the vaccine will be rolled out. 

[Toilet Duck]

15 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I thought that was just the M.O. of Boris and Cummings, seems it’s done outside the UK as well. 

Leo the leaker is very fond of it too! 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Someone is leaking that the entire of England will be in at least tier 2 

[jparx]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Someone is leaking that the entire of England will be in at least tier 2 

Someone needs to stick a bucket under Boris Johnson.