When will this shit end?

[JoeyT]

4 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Cheltenham is in March, so unlikely anyway. Wimbledon can easily be done with reduced capacity. The Open is in July, and again can have reduced controlled capacity. At none of those events is there crowded camping. 

Cheltenham is likely with a reduced capacity I’d say. Ironically I can see it being a test event in terms of higher numbers than they’ve set out today.

It’s outside which makes it safer than something like the theatre for instance!

Regarding the festival let’s not forget it’s in June and the end of the month.

We have 6 solid months of vaccinations going on between now and then...

[squirrelarmy]

8 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Cheltenham is in March, so unlikely anyway

You forget who runs Cheltenham Festival. 

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Yes, but I don't think political theories hold quite as much weight as actual scientific theories lmao 

 

Smh @ centrists

My issue with centrism is it’s stuck in the 90s- it hasn’t generated a single idea or policy in years. It’s main focus seems to be to criticise and crush the left (but not the right). It has no answers to climate change, aging population, housing, the current economic disaster. It’s stuck in the 90s. But because of the sense of entitlement, centrist politicians think they just have to look ‘sensible’ and ‘moderate’ (i.e. propose nothing). I appreciate the idea that you have to get power first, but the challenges of modern times are so vast you need to have some sort of ideas to tackle them- Blairs 1997 manifesto won’t cut it. I don’t understand how allowing climate change to happen is ‘sensible’ or moderate or realistic.

I’d just love them to come up with some ideas for a change instead of trying to vanquish left wingers.

[jparx]

13 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

My issue with centrism is it’s stuck in the 90s- it hasn’t generated a single idea or policy in years. It’s main focus seems to be to criticise and crush the left (but not the right). It has no answers to climate change, aging population, housing, the current economic disaster. It’s stuck in the 90s. But because of the sense of entitlement, centrist politicians think they just have to look ‘sensible’ and ‘moderate’ (i.e. propose nothing). I appreciate the idea that you have to get power first, but the challenges of modern times are so vast you need to have some sort of ideas to tackle them- Blairs 1997 manifesto won’t cut it. I don’t understand how allowing climate change to happen is ‘sensible’ or moderate or realistic.

I’d just love them to come up with some ideas for a change instead of trying to vanquish left wingers.

Yep totally agree with everything you’ve said, but the fact is we have to work with them to get anything done. Reality is the UK is not voting in a left wing government anytime soon. We’re in the minority. We either work with centrists and compromise on bits and pieces, or continue to treat them as the enemy, refuse to cooperate and make fuck all progress. Centrists can go either way, and they’re more likely to lean Tory if they’re the ones extending the olive branch. They’re not going to come to our side if portions of the left are slagging them off.

What a portion of the far left cannot grasp is that while their views certainly benefit the majority, the majority don’t see it that way. And yeah, it’s incredibly frustrating when it comes to things like climate change. But the reality is we can’t make the progress on it that we need to in the current political climate, so the only option we have is compromise and make SOME progress, and hope that in time the centrists come more to our way of thinking.

Left wing policies (I believe) are the way forward but we’re not getting there overnight. We either work together and make small progress, or treat everyone else as the enemy and watch the world burn, knowing you have the moral high ground. That’s the choice.

[Punksnotdead]

1 hour ago, tigger123 said:

Don’t forget about the Cheltenham festival!! The tories will want to do everything to make that go ahead, if that goes ahead normally, then so can music festivals

I'm not sure where everyone is getting the idea that Cheltenham festival is full of posho, Tory, upper class twits? I go every year & it's crammed with Irish & working class lads from Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, etc. Of course there's a few rich owners & corporate types, but no more than your average sporting event.

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

The far left are just as susceptible to authoritarianism - plenty of the socialist crowd would happily have a society like that to enforce that equality. 

I probably agree with that to some extent for climate change but not for this 

 

As are the centrists. Macron is a good example, as is starmer. Its paternalistic and patronising. We know best and be damned to anybody who gets in our way.

The extra judicial overseas interventionism of Blair. The mass surveillance his govt brought in.

The desire of remainiacs to overturn brexit and great the expression of dislike for direct democracy thereafter (because it didnt go their way) 

Centrism is often completely detached from liberalism or democratic values these days.

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

As are the centrists. Macron is a good example, as is starmer. Its paternalistic and patronising. We know best and be damned to anybody who gets in our way.

The extra judicial overseas interventionism of Blair. The mass surveillance his govt brought in.

The desire of remainiacs to overturn brexit and great the expression of dislike for direct democracy thereafter (because it didnt go their way) 

Centrism is often completely detached from liberalism or democratic values these days.

So which part of the political spectrum does stand up for democratic values these days?

[jparx]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

So which part of the political spectrum does stand up for democratic values these days?

mattiloyism

[steviewevie]

National socialism was a good one.

[steviewevie]

Maybe they could have reduced capacity at Glastonbury. It's all on tv anyway.

[FrankieX]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe they could have reduced capacity at Glastonbury. It's all on tv anyway.

Tough to see this happening, since almost all of the tickets were sold over a year ago...

[Ozanne]

 

 

[stuartbert two hats]

Another day of substantial falls in Manchester. Another good thing is that Stockport seems unable to get below the national average... because the national average is falling just as quickly now.

These are still huge numbers, but I'm hopeful that combined with a limited roll out of the vaccine, the brief loosening over Christmas won't lead to that great a spike in disease.

We're nearly there!

[mattiloy]

5 minutes ago, xxialac said:

So which part of the political spectrum does stand up for democratic values these days?

The spectrum is a bit outdated

There are pro democracy people from all walks and then there are egotists who see their own divine right as having primacy over the vox populi, affirmed by the yes men that surround them.

Sadly the political centre is littered with oddballs who cast themselves as the hero (or in regards to Blair a literal crusader) who has been put there to roll their sleeves up and ’get things done’, often either completely without a real mandate at all (thanks to first past the post) or by massively overreaching the mandate they have. And details like democracy, human rights, morality are just obstacles to be overcome to achieve the ’greater good’

[steviewevie]

Reports that Nissan have dismissed that Sunderland plant closure story. Maybe it's future depends on whether there's a brexit deal or not...who knows.

[xxialac]

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Edited November 23, 2020 by xxialac

[Ozanne]

Here's the figures for Sussex, latest full list I could find:

From left to right, it reads: name of local authority; rate of new cases in the seven days to November 16; number (in brackets) of new cases recorded in the seven days to November 16; rate of new cases in the seven days to November 9; number (in brackets) of new cases recorded in the seven days to November 9.

Mid Sussex 164.2 (248), 120.5 (182)

Wealden 163.5 (264), 74.9 (121)

Rother 145.7 (140), 94.7 (91)

Brighton and Hove 144.7 (421), 166.4 (484)

Chichester 137.0 (166), 132.9 (161)

Arun 136.9 (220), 79.6 (128)

Eastbourne 133.0 (138), 88.7 (92)

Crawley 129.0 (145), 147.7 (166)

Horsham 112.7 (162), 105.0 (151)

Adur 112.0 (72), 66.9 (43)

Hastings 101.4 (94), 61.5 (57)

Lewes 95.9 (99), 73.6 (76)

Worthing 87.7 (97), 66.9 (74)

Edited November 23, 2020 by Ozanne

[mattiloy]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

Can I make sure I've understood?

Extreme left wing - mostly democratic

Left - mostly democratic

Centrist - not democratic

Right - mostly democratic

Extreme right wing - mostly democratic

 

 

Wut? Who said that?

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 hours ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Equating the far right to the far left is such a cringe take lmao. Damn those leftist extremists and their belief in... *checks notes*... equality!

I'm a centrist myself but it doesn't mean that I think the far left are as morally reprehensible as the far right. I'm a centrist because I support centrist policies (e.g. mid-level taxes, controlled immigration, progressive social values) but I think commies are at least trying to improve people's lives more so than fascists and racists. I'd always feel more comfortable leading a centre-left coalition from the right of it than a centre-right coalition from the left of it.

[steviewevie]

 

[xxialac]

The governor of the Bank of England has warned that the economic cost of a no-deal Brexit would be bigger in the long term than the damage caused by Covid-19.

Slow. Hand. Clap.

[steviewevie]

Brexit deal imminent, vaccines ending the pandemic, plus Bojo to do a reset and be all one nation and nice. Next year could be very different.

But, then again the economy is about to fall off a cliff.

[stuartbert two hats]

Seriously though, what the fuck is up with this half dose -> fulldose programme giving the best outcome? Could the other two dose vaccines have similar success? Why would this work?

 cc professor @Toilet Duck

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Seriously though, what the fuck is up with this half dose -> fulldose programme giving the best outcome? Could the other two dose vaccines have similar success? Why would this work?

 cc professor @Toilet Duck

 

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Seriously though, what the fuck is up with this half dose -> fulldose programme giving the best outcome? Could the other two dose vaccines have similar success? Why would this work?

 cc professor @Toilet Duck

At the risk of pre-empting what TD will say, I read something earlier that seemed to suggest that giving a full dose first risks provoking such a strong immune response that your body effectively rejects the second dose so you basically end up with only one dose, whereas with the other way you get 1.5 doses which is stronger than only 1. 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

At the risk of pre-empting what TD will say, I read something earlier that seemed to suggest that giving a full dose first risks provoking such a strong immune response that your body effectively rejects the second dose so you basically end up with only one dose, whereas with the other way you get 1.5 doses which is stronger than only 1. 

Did you deliberately double dose that quote professor Afro ?