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5 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

it was @121 per 100K (went up to 140-150 if remember correctly)that put Leicester into lockdown (numbers we could only wish we had!!), the benchmarks have changed so many times since then and tbh they don't seem to be very well defined

Also on the EID celebrations, there was one on 31st July as the below Manchester tier was announced 9.30pm on twitter on the Thursday with it coming into effect at midnight, so basically screwing up EID celebrations across the region. Remember at the time we were all like can you imagine them pulling this stunt at 9.30pm Christmas eve?? :huh:

Manchester was put into Tier 2 due to Oldham numbers going up but as you can see across the borough's numbers were lower than anything now:

 

 

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Currently at 527 per 100,000 - we’ve never seemed to get a ‘handle on it’ 😢

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25 minutes ago, st dan said:

Christmas in the UK (and the majority of Europe) is now more or less just a ‘feel good’ 2/3 week period that does wonders for people’s spirits and mindsets in the long, dark and cold winter months. 
Without it, it would be one hell of a slog from October - March each year. 

Agreed. There's a reason we have xmas at that time of the year & it's fuck all to do with the birth of Christ. We had feasts & family gatherings in midwinter long before christianity.

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34 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

And i also agree that there are extreme elements of the left that sadly exhibit antisemitism but that this is far from the norm in the labour party, it is a tiny fraction, and JC is not responsible for their views.

Fair - I think that JC could have done more and there's been abhorrent views that have used his name as protection which he could have done more to disavow but I completely respect your take on it.

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11 hours ago, SheffJeff said:

 

Ian Browns response... pint at the cider bus for anyone who makes it past page one. 

Terms and conditions apply.

OMFG!! problem is like anything like this, there are grains of truth and because of that people will think the rest of it is plausible... the concern of the vaccine being rushed is a big one being jumped on as plays on people's fears (and it doesn't matter how much reassurance you give them, this will become a sticking point for roll out for sure)

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1 minute ago, topmarksbri said:

Fair - I think that JC could have done more and there's been abhorrent views that have used his name as protection which he could have done more to disavow but I completely respect your take on it.

I think blaming Jesus Christ for the problems in the Labour party is a bit off.

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Do you remember a couple of months in when you started seeing the stories along the lines of 'Don't be like me/my loved one, I/they thought it was a hoax/just the flu/only affected old people/got complacent and now they've died/I thought I was going to die/I'm suffering from long covid.' and numerous variations of the same

At what point in January will we start getting the 'I thought it was worth the risk/family Christmas is really important to me/we were careful but...' equivalents? 

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20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm guessing in the end they will allow family gatherings, but will ask people to just try and stick to rule of 6 or something similar, keep windows open, try and be careful with social distancing, maybe don't include elderly or vulnerable people...and then we'll just have to hope for the best. It is just one day....and not everyone will be partaking...I certainly won't be.

Problem is it wont be just once - "we can't have these round today, so we'll just have to see them on boxing day for fairness" etc and suddenly there has been 3 more gatherings that wouldn't have happened in any other month 

16 minutes ago, found home in 2009 said:

We've had dinner at my parents sitting miles apart. In the restaurant we were sat right next to each other. Both had sanitiser outside the toilet. But in my parents house I know they would have been using it and they would be the only people that could have touched the door. Whereas in the restuarant there could have been hundreds of customers that touched the bathroom door handle without sanitising.

You could say all families will show a different amount of caution, but similarly I reckon all businesses will make different amounts of effort to comply with the rules too.

Dont forget it can spread through the air and breathing- the hand stuff is important but it's not the main way it spreads. Nowhere is safe indoors really however far apart you are - it's all a risk. Great way to make people feel safe in pubs though

 

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8 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

OMFG!! problem is like anything like this, there are grains of truth and because of that people will think the rest of it is plausible... the concern of the vaccine being rushed is a big one being jumped on as plays on people's fears (and it doesn't matter how much reassurance you give them, this will become a sticking point for roll out for sure)

Fucking. Endless. Absolute. Rubbish.

That's aimed at Ian Brown not you.😃

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Just now, efcfanwirral said:

Problem is it wont be just once - "we can't have these round today, so we'll just have to see them on boxing day for fairness" etc and suddenly there has been 3 more gatherings that wouldn't have happened in any other month 

Dont forget it can spread through the air and breathing- the hand stuff is important but it's not the main way it spreads. Nowhere is safe indoors really however far apart you are - it's all a risk. Great way to make people feel safe in pubs though

 

It's not even close is it? I'm sure I read something somewhere that it's a tiny chance of spreading that way

We even had a phrase for it when it came to the extra cleaning measures. 'The theatre of cleaning'.  

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58 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

How many on here clapped for the nhs last time and think it’s now acceptable that they are thrown into chaos a couple of  weeks after xmas for the sake of a few pairs of socks and a multipack of lynx ? 

That's not what xmas is about for millions of people and you know it. My 80 year old mum shielded for 3 months in spring & didn't see anyone. She wants to spend one day with her sons & granddaughter and I'm not going to deny her that simple pleasure!

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3 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

Fucking. Endless. Absolute. Rubbish.

That's aimed at Ian Brown not you.😃

Yeah it's quite an essay of BS but as I say few grains of truth - DNS orders, nightingales not very busy, there has been consequences of vaccines and lawsuits hereafter... it's amazing what people are actually accepting as plausible at the moment (obviously people having too much time on their hands and minds going overdrive)!!

It's the biggest worry for me is how bad miss-information and conspiracy theories are becoming more accepted, to the point I'm seeing people I know including family members being sucked down the rabbit hole :(  

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3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Nah, most people want to move on, Labour are neck and neck or slightly ahead in the polls.  This is a significant row, but dead?  Come on.

Yes theres a long way to go.

But Starmer has some work to do to rebuild trust with both left and centre and it seems like rebuilding trust from either camp may degrade trust with the other.

Meanwhile there are some small signs that Boris appears to be pivoting back towards the centre in a post trump, post cummings world. What that'll do for him with hard right brexit hardliners we'll find out.

It won't be boring anyway.

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1 minute ago, Punksnotdead said:

That's not what xmas is about for millions of people and you know it. My 80 year old mum shielded for 3 months in spring & didn't see anyone. She wants to spend one day with her sons & granddaughter and I'm not going to deny her that simple pleasure!

Woudn't you rather ensure you have multiple Christmases, rather than risk just having one?

My mum is 76 and I won't see her. She's a bit upset but I've promised to make up for it when it's safe and we'll have a 'virtual Christmas' together on the day and then a second one together as soon as we can.

 

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5 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Woudn't you rather ensure you have multiple Christmases, rather than risk just having one?

My mum is 76 and I won't see her. She's a bit upset but I've promised to make up for it when it's safe and we'll have a 'virtual Christmas' together on the day and then a second one together as soon as we can.

 


 

Tomorrow is never promised, whether that be by covid or any other reason. 

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39 minutes ago, found home in 2009 said:

We've had dinner at my parents sitting miles apart. In the restaurant we were sat right next to each other. Both had sanitiser outside the toilet. But in my parents house I know they would have been using it and they would be the only people that could have touched the door. Whereas in the restuarant there could have been hundreds of customers that touched the bathroom door handle without sanitising.

You could say all families will show a different amount of caution, but similarly I reckon all businesses will make different amounts of effort to comply with the rules too.

Like you say as a general rule all families will show a different amount of caution. You’re clearly very sensible inside your parents house. I think when Gov. came up with the idea of meeting in a restaurant vs. meeting in homes it was done with assumption not everyone will be as sensible. Plus if you’re going to have people do something risky, you may as well do it somewhere there’s an added benefit (support jobs) as opposed to letting it happen in private dwelling’s without that added benefit.

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8 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said:

That's not what xmas is about for millions of people and you know it. My 80 year old mum shielded for 3 months in spring & didn't see anyone. She wants to spend one day with her sons & granddaughter and I'm not going to deny her that simple pleasure!

And nor should u ... I’m thinking on a longer term basis though ... I’ve spent 20 years plus working in retail so I also know that quite a chunk of it is commercialised bollocks though ... and not quite the occasion it’s sold as ... zoom will surface for one year and hugs and smiles return once the vaccine is in play ... 

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Given how close we are to the vaccine, could they not arrange for another bank holiday in May, to mimic the double bank holiday of Xmas Day/Boxing Day? Maybe join it to the May day bank holiday, so that people get a 4 day weekend in May for them to have big family celebrations? A bit of carrot and stick temptation might go a long way in encouraging people to stick to the rules and show that there's light at the end of the tunnel!

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4 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Yes theres a long way to go.

But Starmer has some work to do to rebuild trust with both left and centre and it seems like rebuilding trust from either camp may degrade trust with the other.

Meanwhile there are some small signs that Boris appears to be pivoting back towards the centre in a post trump, post cummings world. What that'll do for him with hard right brexit hardliners we'll find out.

It won't be boring anyway.

In terms of economics Johnson's govt are kind of keynsian, right? Lots of spending. And also he is doing lots of stuff towards going carbon neutral, It's just all the cultural/social stuff that they have shifted to the right..Patel's shtick...and maybe some of that came from Cummings, who knows. The one big problem for Johnson's govt is competency, which I guess is one reason Cummings has gone...but maybe a lot of it is down to JOhnson himself. Anyway, if tories become competent, and do go ahead with all this spending...it's going to be very hard for labour, especially if they're still arguing about corbyn ffs.

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2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Woudn't you rather ensure you have multiple Christmases, rather than risk just having one?

My mum is 76 and I won't see her. She's a bit upset but I've promised to make up for it when it's safe and we'll have a 'virtual Christmas' together on the day and then a second one together as soon as we can.

 

My mum, my brother, my daughter & me all live on our own. That's 4 miserable people on xmas day! We've all followed the rules for 9 months. For one day we're prepared to take the risk.

I've had a huge health scare a couple of months ago & I can't say with any certainty how many more Christmas days we'll have together!

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