Mr.Tease Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, steviewevie said: just do it already. Afraid we have to navigate some Tory infighting first, and their priority will always be what’s best for the Tory party🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt42 said: I’ve seen a lot on Biden’s stance on us with a brexit but what about trump? A US U.K. trade deal would be pretty great considering our options at the moment. I’m a remainer but I’d rather we got a few decent trade deals under our belt. is Bidens reluctance to do a trade deal with us probably just hyperbole? yay, shit meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, steviewevie said: it was anti-zionism and she is a zionist. Ah, so she's lying then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Homer said: Ah, so she's lying then? probably doesn't understand english irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Matt42 said: I’ve seen a lot on Biden’s stance on us with a brexit but what about trump? A US U.K. trade deal would be pretty great considering our options at the moment. I’m a remainer but I’d rather we got a few decent trade deals under our belt. is Bidens reluctance to do a trade deal with us probably just hyperbole? I’m a remainer too, surely better to get a deal with the EU and a deal with Biden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Homer Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, steviewevie said: probably doesn't understand english irony. I suppose they prob don't get much of that in North London and Liverpool/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Fuzzy Afro said: I’m a remainer too, surely better to get a deal with the EU and a deal with Biden? any deal with US won't even get close to what we have with the EU...it will be purely for show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Trump really is a twisted c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, steviewevie said: any deal with US won't even get close to what we have with the EU...it will be purely for show. UK/EU talks in submarine mode at the moment. What's the betting Johnson and the Tories will cave to a BRINO and try to bury it in all the bad news swirling around? This is where the US election result comes into play - indications of a Trump win might embolden Johnson to tough it out whereas a Biden victory might persuade him to capitulate and blame it on Covid. Next week will be decisive in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, steviewevie said: sorry, that was probably a bit pithy. Pith off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Copperface said: UK/EU talks in submarine mode at the moment. What's the betting Johnson and the Tories will cave to a BRINO and try to bury it in all the bad news swirling around? This is where the US election result comes into play - indications of a Trump win might embolden Johnson to tough it out whereas a Biden victory might persuade him to capitulate and blame it on Covid. Next week will be decisive in many ways. I don't know...I really don't think who wins US election actually makes any difference to this. I think they will get a deal...it won't be a great deal, but it will be something to build on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, steviewevie said: I don't know...I really don't think who wins US election actually makes any difference to this. I think they will get a deal...it won't be a great deal, but it will be something to build on. Trump wins they can go for a no deal Biden wins they have to cave to the EU demands no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 I honestly think a trade deal with the U.K and the EU is in such icy waters right now, a USA deal might help us stay a float a bit. I’m trying to be as positive as I can because I see a Trump victory, and I’m trying to twist the inevitable into a good thing in my mind. Boris and Trump being mates is good news for us. As much as it hurts to see. Biden and Nancy not being that fond of us isn’t great news. Id rather a rescue package from the US than the effect of no deal from the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt42 said: I honestly think a trade deal with the U.K and the EU is in such icy waters right now, a USA deal might help us stay a float a bit. I’m trying to be as positive as I can because I see a Trump victory, and I’m trying to twist the inevitable into a good thing in my mind. Boris and Trump being mates is good news for us. As much as it hurts to see. Biden and Nancy not being that fond of us isn’t great news. Id rather a rescue package from the US than the effect of no deal from the EU. What you need to realise is the US/EU deals go hand in hand. Trump wins, we leave on a no deal and do a deal with Trump Biden wins, we get both deals. Because he won’t do a deal if the GFA is breached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Any deal with US whoever is president won't amount to much, and will be very much weighted towards US needs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 This thread.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E. Spliff Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Homer said: I don't understand why nine Labour MPs would quit the party over anti-semitism if there wasn't any? That's a pretty extreme thing to happen. Why would Luciana Berger just make it all up? Objectively that tells me that there was anti-semitism. Or am I missing something? If you go back to my post on the previous page, you'll see I've posted a link to the Labour group which opposes Luciana Berger and you can look at their claims about the Jewish Labour Movement, which she was the chair of. There are two possibilities: either, she is making it all up, and the whole thing has been manufactured as part of a political battle within the Labour movement. Or, she's telling the truth and Labour has an extremely serious problem of antisemitism within its ranks. You know which side I'm leaning towards in all this, but I don't know for certain any more than any other punter currently does. My main point in this discussion is that the outrage to evidence ratio is hugely suspicious here, and I'd encourage anyone to find out a bit more about the various factions involved in this rather than just accept the claims on a no-smoke-without-fire basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Me and the 2nd wave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, steviewevie said: This thread.... Have a Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/30/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-equality-watchdog https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/10/30/week-in-review-this-is-your-brain-on-tribalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toilet Duck Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Trump wins they can go for a no deal Biden wins they have to cave to the EU demands no question. Sure while we’re at it...it’s old, but not a lot has changed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said: Sure while we’re at it...it’s old, but not a lot has changed! Much going on with the vaccines today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Homer said: I don't understand why nine Labour MPs would quit the party over anti-semitism if there wasn't any? That's a pretty extreme thing to happen. Why would Luciana Berger just make it all up? Objectively that tells me that there was anti-semitism. Or am I missing something? Every single MP that quit was also a centrist who were up for mandatory deselection by their local party membership. No MP not threatened with mandatory deselection quit. No jewish MP that wasn’t up for mandatory deselection quit. Thats the missing part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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