When will this shit end?

[mcshed]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Well yeah all people die, but as a society we’ve decided not to accept ANY deaths from covid. That’s why these rules will never be relaxed while we have community transmission, even if the vaccine means that far fewer people die from it. 

When restrictions were lifted in June people were still dying. Nobody has said they don't accept any deaths from COVID. Well Nicola might have said it once or twice but she was being as silly as you are. 

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Well yeah all people die, but as a society we’ve decided not to accept ANY deaths from covid. That’s why these rules will never be relaxed while we have community transmission, even if the vaccine means that far fewer people die from it. 

No we haven't. You keep stringing together a load of inaccurate statements and then taking wild leaps of logic.  We've decided as a society we want to prevent a deadly virus from exponentially growing to the point where it overwhelms healthcare services.  That's fundamentally the same as it was back in March.  When vaccines and natural immunity reduce the levels to the point where an unchecked virus causes levels of illness that healthcare services can deal with, then things will return to normal - everywhere on the planet.

"ANY" and "100%" shouldn't be part of the discussion.  It's all about reducing to acceptable levels - which if you look at the current increase in hospitalisations is not where we're at right now. But we will be.  And you will be able to see at risk people again next year.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, mcshed said:

When restrictions were lifted in June people were still dying. Nobody has said they don't accept any deaths from COVID. Well Nicola might have said it once or twice but she was being as silly as you are. 

Keep hearing “1 death is 1 too many” 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Havors said:

You are confusing two different things. The letter to the government from the literally hundred of top scientist was not suggesting herd immunity. 
 

You mean that Great Barrington thing? From what I've read it is not really backed up by any evidence and most scientist disagree with it.

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

But that’s still 50% of the vulnerable who are not protected, so restrictions would be needed unless we accept that some old people will die? 

we're accepting some will die now, where's the change?

The change is with the demands those illnesses will put on the NHS. 

[mcshed]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

No, he lives in the city centre of Glasgow  

Swap last week with a couple of months ago then. 

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Whenever we are lucky enough to get festivals back I'll need some kind of training regime ahead of it. Hiking with a can in hand sounds about right.....

There is a dedicated Fitness for Glasto thread. Once we get past the cold soggy time of year we could try set up some walking and drinking challenges to get our feet and livers in shape for a week on the farm. 

[stuartbert two hats]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Stop talking in absolutes. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. 

Saying "only a Sith" is an absolute FWIW. 

[mcshed]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Keep hearing “1 death is 1 too many” 

As I say that wasn't the case over the summer so why is it the case now?

[st dan]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m worried that the government will not stop controlling our lives as long as their is any community transmission

That’s exactly what I’m saying, even if they attempt it (which they won’t as they’re currently doing everything they can to avoid just this in most cases) - people simply won’t stand for it, no matter the COVID situation. 

Edited October 16, 2020 by st dan

[steviewevie]

Gyms get to stay open in Lancashire, unlike merseyside.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Gyms get to stay open in Lancashire, unlike merseyside.

That’s good news 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Keep hearing “1 death is 1 too many” 

That's a soundbite to try to sound compassionate.  It's not how any society has ever acted or will ever act.

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Saying "only a Sith" is an absolute FWIW. 

Touché. 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

That’s good news 

unless you're a scouse gym freak.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

unless you're a scouse gym freak.

They’re always in tracksuits. I think they’re very keen on fitness in that part of the country. 

[blackred]

18 minutes ago, Havors said:

You are confusing two different things. The letter to the government from the literally hundred of top scientist was not suggesting herd immunity. 
 

Top scientists including Harold Shipman and Johnny Fartpants?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-herd-immunity-great-barrington-declaration-scientists-signatures-fake-names-b912778.html

[Quark]

5 minutes ago, blackred said:

Top scientists including Harold Shipman and Johnny Fartpants?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-herd-immunity-great-barrington-declaration-scientists-signatures-fake-names-b912778.html

That is absolutely incredible.  My personal favourite is ‘Dr Brian Blessed Doctor in Winged Flight, Z-Cars and Booming Laughter’

[Gingerfish79]

In other terrible news...

[efcfanwirral]

28 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

There is a dedicated Fitness for Glasto thread. Once we get past the cold soggy time of year we could try set up some walking and drinking challenges to get our feet and livers in shape for a week on the farm. 

Will definitely be up for that - even if I remain ticketless I'll be needing that sort of training for other festivals! 

 

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

In other terrible news...

Boris Johnson last Autumn on No Deal - ‘...would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible.’

[Tartan_Glasto]

1,196 new cases in Scotland. Nine new deaths. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

ONS slightly worse than last week 

[Gingerfish79]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Boris Johnson last Autumn on No Deal - ‘...would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible.’

He should be tried as a traitor.  

[tigger123]

24 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

In other terrible news...

I know someone who worked on the vote leave campaign, it’s always been the plan, otherwise the tories and all their hedge fund pals wouldn’t have bet on it happening. They stand to profit off a no deal, that’s why they’re pushing it through.

 

Even though I knew it was coming, it still makes me want to cry however