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3 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

I think that changes if students are registered with a local GP, but yeah does leave open another reason not to trust data and not being able to identify true outbreaks

Most students in NW must be registered here to have the case numbers we are seeing, as a lot of the universities are doin g their own testing I beleive

Is the testing system linked to government gateway logins? If so they'll have signed up for those for their student loans presumably on their home address at the time, and understandably it's not the first thing you think to change when you move as it doesn't affect your every day life (err which reminds me I'd better to it myself after moving house last month!) This is more than plausible 

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3 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Do you pick an address when you book a test? Or does it go off your NHS number?

 

I think you have to select your post code to get the nearest test site, so more I think about maybe this London story about empty cases is a bit of a dead cat but I really don't know tbh

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2 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

Most students in NW must be registered here to have the case numbers we are seeing, as a lot of the universities are doin g their own testing I beleive

Don’t students register with a doc in their university area? Glasgow Uni students had their freshers week not so long ago. The west end of the city was carnage, as is the freshers week norm. Social distancing etc went out the window. Trouble is that area is also popular with other age groups for socialising. The result was large outbreaks in halls of residence that has now made its way into the community. Entirely predictable and one of the factors that has caused the current restrictions.  

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19 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Sweet Jesus, apparently the positive tests get added to a person’s home address not where they actually took the test, meaning that all these positive students are showing up the figures for their home towns 

 

 

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you'd think the spread would be more even across the country and less concentrated in cities...

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11 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

The thing is with the supposed pending lockdown is that it probably won't work due to the exemptions... MEN was saying about the data Whitty was showing them was suggesting bars/restaurants were the main spreader which was manipulated data. Yet they kept out the data for care homes, schools/universities, work places and I think homes which are all worse spreaders.

As already said on here 10pm lockdown doesn't seem to work as pushing the problems to homes and creates mass groups of people to interact at the same time

Closing hospitality again just pushes it back to gatherings elsewhere in particular homes, but cases will still rise as schools and work places still open as increased numbers are in these places - which inevitable leads to increased interaction and potential spreading

This chart (sorry its Daily fail) is quite a simple illustration of how when schools went back this in turn meant more people back to work and increases interaction - the rises between schools and work are moving the same which is an evitable consequence

Shutting hospitality won't change the infections whist the biggest places that spread the virus remain open. Personally I think they need to explain the risks and measures to everyone and have simple trigger points for changes so people understand better.

Most folk are/will be compliant but mixed messages and doesn't make sense exceptions imo is what is causing the problems

 

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Not to keep beating the same drum but again you're conflating "outbreak locations" with "places it spreads".

Care homes, workplaces, schools and universities will have the same people in them every single day. Hospitals, pubs and restaurants won't. If someone gets COVID and has no symptoms, they go to the same workplace every single day, and it inevitably spreads around. They don't go to the pub every day, and will often go to different pubs, so it doesn't spread around that pub. That doesn't mean it doesn't spread to individuals while there. The figures for prisons are really low, but I'd wager they'd be much higher if every inmate was allowed to go to the pub once a week. But that would be a prison outbreak then, not a pub outbreak.

You couple this with the fact that contact tracing was optional and rarely used for pubs and restaurants during the periods shown on this graph, so we don't even know who was in a pub at any given time, and it's actually surprising that hospitality is that high up already!

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3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

That’s not a lot. Anyone living alone and just about living within their means is going to struggle. 
 

Better than nothing I suppose. 

Its just about doable but Im fortunate in that I dont have  the debts and bills that some might .... but yes its better than nothing ...

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18 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I remember when I used to work in a marketing agency that had far too many client meetings, and it eventually led to everything being about getting through the next meeting than really meeting the long term goals of the client and our own strategies - i.e. the day to day got lost in favour of essentially optics

I got the feeling the regular briefings went down that road - I'd actually be in favour of them only happening in emergencies 

I can also imagine loads of "I'm not doing anything that dickhead says" type reactions 

yeah...I get that...I just think there is a messaging problem at moment...newspapers all coming out with their own opinions etc. It was much clearer what we were supposed to do in spring, and maybe those briefings helped with that.

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6 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Don’t students register with a doc in their university area? Glasgow Uni students had their freshers week not so long ago. The west end of the city was carnage, as is the freshers week norm. Social distancing etc went out the window. Trouble is that area is also popular with other age groups for socialising. The result was large outbreaks in halls of residence that has now made its way into the community. Entirely predictable and one of the factors that has caused the current restrictions.  

This is another example of what I was saying - pubs etc. are vectors for transmission between outbreak locations. They're how it moves from a workplace outbreak to a university housebreak or vice-versa - it's where people will be in contact with those outside of their "bubbles" (and I use that term in the generic sense)

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6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yeah fck that. I'm not socially distancing once theres a vaccine

 

To be fair the information has been popping up here and there for a while to point towards it being a long term thing even after a "vaccine" (that wont be fully effective) people have just dismissed it because it's not what we want to hear. 

As far as I'm aware the Lancet is quite authoritative on medical matters so we shouldn't get our hopes up 

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1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

To be fair the information has been popping up here and there for a while to point towards it being a long term thing even after a "vaccine" (that wont be fully effective) people have just dismissed it because it's not what we want to hear. 

As far as I'm aware the Lancet is quite authoritative on medical matters so we shouldn't get our hopes up 

Yeah good luck getting any govt to agree to that. 

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7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yeah fck that. I'm not socially distancing once theres a vaccine

 

Guess the thing is you may not have much choice. I don't think they're going to be telling us we can't hug our family in a years' time, but the principles of trying to keep some distance from people you don't need to be right next too I think will continue. What that means practically is likely some limits on pub capacity, more pre-booking etc. nightclubs being fucked and standing gigs being out for a while. Festivals may be okay on the basis they're outside.

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2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Guess the thing is you may not have much choice. I don't think they're going to be telling us we can't hug our family in a years' time, but the principles of trying to keep some distance from people you don't need to be right next too I think will continue. What that means practically is likely some limits on pub capacity, more pre-booking etc. nightclubs being fucked and standing gigs being out for a while. Festivals may be okay on the basis they're outside.

And distancing on tubes? I dont buy it.

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4 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

There’s a ruling coming in about the 10pm curfew. If that’s announced before the Northern pub closures come in then it’s going to be wild in the town centres

To me the 10pm curfew is irrelevant at this point. Lots of other countries (France, Belgium, Netherlands) also seem to be using at as a tactic and it doesn’t seem to be stalling the virus at all.

Im feeling very negative today, we need to take proper action now because this virus is getting out of control. 

I think we will break 20k today, I think 21,875. Not feeling optimistic at all especially with NI, Wales and scotland having such high numbers.

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