When will this shit end?

[Leyrulion]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

@JoeyT just looked at the case per 100,000 here and its 35 ...... we aren't doing quite so well now  , I know you were advocating less stringent measures for the south west  .... we are of course much lower than most areas but 10 days ago my area was 0-2 cases per 100,000 . have your thoughts changed ? 

The Zoe covid tracker app has cases at just over 21,000 a day. That's only 10% up from the 19k they had last week.

Testing capacity is about 100k higher then when it fell on its arse in early September

[Euphoricape]

Do we think the rest of the UK is set ro follow Scotland with a 2 week lockdown to reset the virus spread..? I'm thinking October half term extended to 2 weeks and pubs/restaurants/hotels etc closed. This was hinted at back along but I'm beginning to think it is a strong possibility now. Maybe even sooner?

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, Euphoricape said:

Do we think the rest of the UK is set ro follow Scotland with a 2 week lockdown to reset the virus spread..? I'm thinking October half term extended to 2 weeks and pubs/restaurants/hotels etc closed. This was hinted at back along but I'm beginning to think it is a strong possibility now. Maybe even sooner?

Scotland isn't doing a 2 week lockdown.

[Lizzim]

10 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Anyone who had Spanish Flu when they were a newborn baby in 1918 would have been 91 in 2009 when Swine Flu hit. 
 

There really weren’t that many people who lived through both. 

My granny did.

[Euphoricape]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Scotland isn't doing a 2 week lockdown.

Friday from 7pm apparently

[Euphoricape]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Scotland isn't doing a 2 week lockdown.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/06/scotland-to-bring-in-two-week-circuit-breaker-on-friday-at-7pm-13378009/

[Lizzim]

51 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

We had a worldwide flu pandemic less than 12 years ago and one-in-four people in the world got it. No one batted an eyelid. 

Well a colleague of mine caught swine flu and ended up in some very intensive treatment.  It was touch and go. At one point he was helicoptered to Manchester for specialist care.  He remembers nothing of it himself fortunately.

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, Euphoricape said:

Friday from 7pm apparently

 

3 minutes ago, Euphoricape said:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/06/scotland-to-bring-in-two-week-circuit-breaker-on-friday-at-7pm-13378009/

 

This was a Sun article which turned out to be incorrect. Sturgeon is going to announce new measures tomorrow but has been very keen to stress that it is not a lockdown or circuit break

[Toilet Duck]

14 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Anyone who had Spanish Flu when they were a newborn baby in 1918 would have been 91 in 2009 when Swine Flu hit. 
 

There really weren’t that many people who lived through both. 

There were more than you’d think. The H1N1 strain from 1918 still circulated after that, so many over 80s had seen it while younger individuals hadn’t (and these would have been the highest risk group). Years of annual vaccinations also built up more general immunity to flu in the older, high risk population and it ended up impacting younger people more. It was just luck really, nobody could have predicted it. 

[Lizzim]

9 minutes ago, Euphoricape said:

Do we think the rest of the UK is set ro follow Scotland with a 2 week lockdown to reset the virus spread..? I'm thinking October half term extended to 2 weeks and pubs/restaurants/hotels etc closed. This was hinted at back along but I'm beginning to think it is a strong possibility now. Maybe even sooner?

Smart money is on shutting the pubs like Paris

[Fuzzy Afro]

4 minutes ago, Lizzim said:

Well a colleague of mine caught swine flu and ended up in some very intensive treatment.  It was touch and go. At one point he was helicoptered to Manchester for specialist care.  He remembers nothing of it himself fortunately.

I'm glad he pulled through, and I'm not denying that the swine flu pandemic had some tragic anecdotes. But society didn't mothball itself like it has this year.

[Mr.Tease]

24 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

And if you stop their cancer treatment, they'll definitely die. Surely taking their chances of maybe getting covid is less dangerous than the guaranteed death sentence that is pulling the plug on cancer treatment? Stop defending Matt Hancock.

I work for a charity that supports people with cancer- you're the one wanting to avoid restrictions, this is a consequence of that, so stop blaming Hancock for something that's a consequence of what you want.

A lot of cancer treatments are life-extending (not cancer-curing) for terminal patients, so that means people go through really horrible, brutal treatments in the hope that it buys them weeks, months or years to make it to key events (like birthdays, weddings, births, etc) or to try and survive as long as they can and buy as much time as they can to spend with loved ones and friends. If covid-19 is prevalent and in hospitals, then it makes no sense to expose them to horrible treatments if they have a high risk of catching covid and dying while receiving them- literally not having them go to hospital gives them a longer life expectancy in that situation.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Lizzim said:

Smart money is on shutting the pubs like Paris

Some talk that they'll do what Ireland did earlier in the pandemic and allow pubs to stay open for serving meals, not boozers.

 

Sturgeon and Leitch hinted this by saying "all hospitality is not homogeneous" today. Also strongly hinted they want to take advantage of the furlough scheme while it still exists.

[Toilet Duck]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

I'm glad he pulled through, and I'm not denying that the swine flu pandemic had some tragic anecdotes. But society didn't mothball itself like it has this year.

No, but it became clear as the pandemic grew that something odd was happening and the the typical high risk group was relatively unscathed. The reasonable worst case scenarios at the start of the pandemic looked very like those produced for this one. It didn’t pan out like that, so we didn’t shut down, but everything done at the start of this one was planned for a flu outbreak. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I work for a charity that supports people with cancer- you're the one wanting to avoid restrictions, this is a consequence of that, so stop blaming Hancock for something that's a consequence of what you want.

A lot of cancer treatments are life-extending (not cancer-curing) for terminal patients, so that means people go through really horrible, brutal treatments in the hope that it buys them weeks, months or years to make it to key events (like birthdays, weddings, births, etc) or to try and survive as long as they can and buy as much time as they can to spend with loved ones and friends. If covid-19 is prevalent and in hospitals, then it makes no sense to expose them to horrible treatments if they have a high risk of catching covid and dying while receiving them- literally not having them go to hospital gives them a longer life expectancy in that situation.

And what about the treatments that are there to actually try and cure the cancer?

[Fuzzy Afro]

MPs back the rule of six by 287 votes to 17. More than half of the MPs didn't bother voting at all

[Mr.Tease]

24 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Yep and as someone with a friend undergoing chemo currently this scares the shit out of me. She's in and out of hospital all the time.

It would be hard enough worrying about your friend in normal times, but with this covid situation and risk on top of that, it sounds beyond awful, It's horrible being powerless to help the people you care about

[Zoo Music Girl]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

It would be hard enough worrying about your friend in normal times, but with this covid situation and risk on top of that, it sounds beyond awful, It's horrible being powerless to help the people you care about

Yeah it is. It's also compounded by not feeling safe to see her due to the possibility of her catching it, but with her kids at school that's worry enough.

Keep up the brilliant work you do. Must be so bloody hard at the best of times.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I'm glad he pulled through, and I'm not denying that the swine flu pandemic had some tragic anecdotes. But society didn't mothball itself like it has this year.

because it wasn't as bad.

[Mr.Tease]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

And what about the treatments that are there to actually try and cure the cancer?

If covid-19 is prevalent, and they go to hospital for cancer treatment and catch covid-19 and die, then having them stay at home and maybe have treatment in a few months if the prevalence rate has been reduced, can maybe give them a better chance of survival (that's the reasoning). I don't think you appreciate what a nightmare it is for doctors and patients to have to juggle these odds and decide what to do- it's hard enough anyways.

[Zoo Music Girl]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

If covid-19 is prevalent, and they go to hospital for cancer treatment and catch covid-19 and die, then having them stay at home and maybe have treatment in a few months if the prevalence rate has been reduced, can maybe give them a better chance of survival (that's the reasoning). I don't think you appreciate what a nightmare it is for doctors and patients to have to juggle these odds and decide what to do- it's hard enough anyways.

Yes this is exactly what happened to my partner's mother. She is 70 and was diagnosed with breast cancer (one of three cancer diagnoses in our lives this year - yay 2020) around lockdown time. They had to make the assessment that she was safer to wait to have treatment until things were safer at the hospital. She did and is now fine, thankfully. But that's not an easy decision to make and in itself is good motivation to keep cases down and out of hospital if we can.

[Fuzzy Afro]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/06/manchester-students-organising-covid-positive-parties
 

Party time in Manchester, except instead of an invitation, you need a covid diagnosis to get in 

[Euphoricape]

25 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

 

This was a Sun article which turned out to be incorrect. Sturgeon is going to announce new measures tomorrow but has been very keen to stress that it is not a lockdown or circuit break

Oops! If I'd have known it was a sun article I wouldn't have paid any attention to it. I will be interested to hear what Sturgeon announces tomorrow then as it could set the trend for the rest of the UK.

[JoeyT]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

@JoeyT just looked at the case per 100,000 here and its 35 ...... we aren't doing quite so well now  , I know you were advocating less stringent measures for the south west  .... we are of course much lower than most areas but 10 days ago my area was 0-2 cases per 100,000 . have your thoughts changed ? 

In all honesty they haven't and I don't think they will.

I'm less convinced as time goes on that we shall get a vaccine in which case i'm inclined to think we have to find a way of living with the virus.

I'm hopefully wrong of course but in reality none of us know the answer.

My thoughts often drift to those who are struggling mentally with the current situation (which will be almost everyone in one way or another) and when I think about the likely permanent damage this virus will have done it makes it ever harder to accept.

[Mr.Tease]

7 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Yeah it is. It's also compounded by not feeling safe to see her due to the possibility of her catching it, but with her kids at school that's worry enough.

Keep up the brilliant work you do. Must be so bloody hard at the best of times.

It's awful choices for yourself and your friend- your basic human instinct is to want to be close to them and spend time with them and support them, but it's such a big risk to do so.

It's been so hard for people with cancer and their friends and families (it is in normal times, but this has taken it to a new level), that's why I get annoyed when people complain about wearing a mask or having to socially distance- like it's a huge hardship.

When there's low prevalence, then people with cancer and their carers/families/friends can take a bit more risk and have a bit more contact with their support networks. If we just let it run wild then these people are completely cut off for the duration, and it's really difficult for both the person with cancer and the family member who has to care for them with little help or support (while people complain they can't go to the pub).