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2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Lots of cases but only 33 deaths and hospitalisations way way down from spring time. Is there really any need for the hysteria?

I also noticed around 30 deaths have been reported each day so it's been consistent rather than constantly fluctuating from low to high at weekends 

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3 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

The Norfolk and Norwich Hospital around 5 miles from me has set up a specialist Covid unit so it can function normally should things worsen here, I get it's a big effort for everyone but I fear more stringent measures on the whole country may do more harm than good - I think they need to fully implement the more stringent measures on the lock down areas instead of nationwide 

Oh I agree! We know a lot more now and blunt tools like national lockdowns shouldn’t really be anything other than the last resort (or possibly for a short specified time when least disruptive to ease pressure down the line)...

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4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

There have been measures certainly, and to impose these elsewhere would probably feel like a "lockdown", especially the not having people round part, but it doesn't feel like a lockdown to me.

My experience is that lockdown ended on July 4th.  That was the day the pubs were opened, the car park of Asda no longer had a queuing system and the car park was full of cars again.  Since then my only view apart from online sources has been a 200m walk to the supermarket and back, so I can say that now, today the number of people that walk or drive past my house is probably at 50% of the pre-pandemic level, it wasn't really until late August that you would see someone else in that 200m walk, people in my community have mostly remained locked down well beyond advised levels.  I live in one of those neighbourhoods that some claim are no go zones (20 years, never been a victim of crime, my neighbours are all lovely and there is a great community atmosphere) and many of the families around me have lost people.  There have been 2 funerals in my street in the last week, one of which was today.

But on the whole, everyone else appears to have given it up on July 4th.  I'm on the main drag from town to the estates, so the volume of pissheads clattering down the road has been steadily rising.

4 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Lots of cases but only 33 deaths and hospitalisations way way down from spring time. Is there really any need for the hysteria?

Please don't look at Sunday numbers and consider them indicative of anything, there are reporting lags and factors which throw the numbers off on weekends, a 5 or 7 day view gives a more realistic picture.

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19 minutes ago, Spindles said:

I was just looking at this map and it is insane the explosion of numbers in the North.  By comparison, around a week ago Wales was looking ropey on around 350 and they've gone up by 1/3, NW was about 1500, it's more than quadrupled, North East has risen by a similar margin.  

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But these numbers on their own don't tell you much, you have to consider population density and the amount of testing done, if the north west had 10 times the population of the south west then the infection rate would be pretty much the same (assuming the testing was in proportion too). I'm not saying there isn't a problem in the NW but this map doesn't help to clarify things.

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@gizmoman  Absolutely, I was just shocked at the percentage gains in the time period is all.  The least populated areas (East, SW and Wales) have a geographic advantage over us urban dwellers for certain.  There's no finger pointing or populace blaming from me, I can assure you, I'm looking purely at numbers. 

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FT have an quote from the head of the vaccine task force saying most UK adults will NEVER be vaccinated against covid-19. Like flu, they’re just going to vaccinate the vulnerable and let it become endemic in the rest of us.

 

 

There will be a few thousand deaths every year because the vaccine won’t be 100% effective and you’ll get the odd undiagnosed condition which makes someone vulnerable without knowing they are. 

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14 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

FT have an quote from the head of the vaccine task force saying most UK adults will NEVER be vaccinated against covid-19. Like flu, they’re just going to vaccinate the vulnerable and let it become endemic in the rest of us.

 

 

There will be a few thousand deaths every year because the vaccine won’t be 100% effective and you’ll get the odd undiagnosed condition which makes someone vulnerable without knowing they are. 

Tbh that'll mean normal life sooner rather than later

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I'm back in the "this is all a scam" camp.  It is designed to swing public opinion and nothing else, he's trying to whip up the crazies with the flags and present himself as being in control of this virus whilst he has presided over the worst response of any nation on the planet.

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

As our Oracle @Toilet Duck has been saying for some time. 

The comments on that tweet don't fill me with confidence though, many seem to really want everyone to be vaccinated. I wonder if there will be a public led forced "u turn" that will still lead to the 'vaccine passport' situation

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5 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

As our Oracle @Toilet Duck has been saying for some time. 

The comments on that tweet don't fill me with confidence though, many seem to really want everyone to be vaccinated. I wonder if there will be a public led forced "u turn" that will still lead to the 'vaccine passport' situation

Did people really think that everyone was going be vaccinated?

I assumed it was a given that only those really needing it were going to be vaccinated e.g. the most at risk in terms of age and health reasons and those most likely to be exposed and that work with the at risk groups. Certainly for the time being. 

I just assumed that was common sense.

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My main worry has always been passing it on to the vulnerable, so I would definitely feel better than I do about getting it if those people were all vaccinated (or at least those who wanted to be). That said, I'd still really rather not get it for the long Covid reasons more than anything else. But I suppose you might be able to choose to pay for a vaccine privately if you wanted one? Like you do for some travel jabs that ate optional. I guess supplies would be limited to essentials to start with, though, and that seems fair enough.

What about medical workers though? Not included?

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3 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Did people really think that everyone was going be vaccinated?

I assumed it was a given that only those really needing it were going to be vaccinated e.g. the most at risk in terms of age and health reasons and those most likely to be exposed and that work with the at risk groups. Certainly for the time being. 

I just assumed that was common sense.

There are some illnesses that pretty much everyone is vaccinated against, so it's not mad a concept: measles, polio etc. But I suppose that would take some time.

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Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

There are some illnesses that pretty much everyone is vaccinated against, so it's not mad a concept: measles, polio etc. But I suppose that would take some time.

Yes but that is a rolling programme where by you get those vaccinations at certain ages etc so your not having to dish out 67 million doses in one sitting, and many of them are a one time only event, we don't know that about this yet I don't think, do we?

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2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

my take is that his doctor is covering his arse and forced Trump to hospital. After all, the doc is not a virus expert.

I also suspect that you perhaps play things a little safer when you aren't taking up 'normal' hospital resources and your dealing with one of the most powerful people in the world. Why would you wait if you don't need to?

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3 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Yes but that is a rolling programme where by you get those vaccinations at certain ages etc so your not having to dish out 67 million doses in one sitting, and many of them are a one time only event, we don't know that about this yet I don't think, do we?

True. I'd expect it to become more widely rolled out in time.

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20 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Did people really think that everyone was going be vaccinated?

I assumed it was a given that only those really needing it were going to be vaccinated e.g. the most at risk in terms of age and health reasons and those most likely to be exposed and that work with the at risk groups. Certainly for the time being. 

I just assumed that was common sense.

I assumed it was going to be given to everyone in time. I thought it would go to those most at risk first, but eventually rolled out to all adults, with children under 10 the only group potentially left off. You know, like all serious diseases that we regularly vaccinate the whole country from.

I thought that was common sense.

I certainly didn't think I wouldn't ever be on the plan at all. I might as well go to one of these mythical Corona parties. It's frankly terrifying.

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13 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I assumed it was going to be given to everyone in time. I thought it would go to those most at risk first, but eventually rolled out to all adults, with children under 10 the only group potentially left off. You know, like all serious diseases that we regularly vaccinate the whole country from.

I thought that was common sense.

I certainly didn't think I wouldn't ever be on the plan at all. I might as well go to one of these mythical Corona parties. It's frankly terrifying.

We don't though do we? Things like meningitis injections are given to people at the time that provides them immunity when they are most at risk of it. Flu vaccine is given to people who most need it. 

We don't even know how long immunity might last yet you can't be rolling out 60 odd million jabs every year.

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Cineworld confirms its temporarily closing cinemas from Thursday: https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/05/cineworld-close-uk-us-cinemas-covid-bond-film-regal?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
 

Will they come back?

Such a sad day for all their workers.

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5 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

We don't though do we? Things like meningitis injections are given to people at the time that provides them immunity when they are most at risk of it. Flu vaccine is given to people who most need it. 

We don't even know how long immunity might last yet you can't be rolling out 60 odd million jabs every year.

But there's loads of vaccines given to everyone:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/nhs-vaccinations-and-when-to-have-them/

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4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

But there's loads of vaccines given to everyone:

that's where immunity is permanent and there's a hope of wiping out the illness.

For covid, it doesn't seem to be necessary to vaccine everyone initially, same as with the flu jab. It might happen later on, depending on a number of different things.

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