When will this shit end?

[Gilb]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

The government was criticised for acting far too late last time, leave it a few weeks and we act too late again and our hospitalisation figures could look as bad as last time. Yes, cases are lower in south and east England compared to the north, but the rate of infection is increasing nationwide and we need some proper action taken before it’s too late and the health of the entire nation suffers.

It’s clear the local lockdowns aren’t working to bring nationwide rates down, further action is needed to bring the nationwide rates down.

This is coming from someone living in South of england, an hour out from London. We can’t make the same mistakes as March.

Just to clarify I dont want to be banned from mixing households, it’s bad for mental health, but the pub curfew isn’t going to stop surging virus cases!

 

So you reckon it's time to bring the whole country to a standstill again? 

[st dan]

5 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

People will not adhere to the no mixing of households rule if they can go down the pub still. Imagine being told you can't go round to your Mum's house to see her but you can go down the pub with her for a spot of lunch? Its farcical and people will (rightly, imo) take umbrage with it. 

This.

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

The government was criticised for acting far too late last time, leave it a few weeks and we act too late again and our hospitalisation figures could look as bad as last time. Yes, cases are lower in south and east England compared to the north, but the rate of infection is increasing nationwide and we need some proper action taken before it’s too late and the health of the entire nation suffers. It’s clear the local lockdowns aren’t working to bring nationwide rates down, further action is needed to bring the nationwide rates down.

This is coming from someone living in South of england, an hour out from London. We can’t make the same mistakes as March.

Just to clarify I dont want to be banned from mixing households, it’s bad for mental health, but the pub curfew isn’t going to stop surging virus cases!

I dont agree that the new restrictions and local lockdowns aren't working. We need to see

 

How long do you want a national lockdown for? It can't be indefinitely 

[efcfanwirral]

Are bubbles still a thing? Or is the household ban no exceptions? 

[ace56blaa]

The problem with the british economy during coronavirus, is they still want you to go to work and make money and then spend that money at pubs, while every other social aspect of your life is restricted. Furlough worked for a lot of people because whilst being told you cant see friends you also could work from home or not go into work if furloughed.

Now it's work with countless strangers in the dangerous pandemic, but don't see friends, do have events, don't do any lesiure activity that doesn't involve paying for overpriced beer or food.

[Andre91]

Second national lockdown will be in place by the time October half term rolls around, I am sure. 

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Are bubbles still a thing? Or is the household ban no exceptions? 

Bubbles are still a thing.

[Fuzzy Afro]

6 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Second national lockdown will be in place by the time October half term rolls around, I am sure. 

I’m hearing that the “circuit breaker” is likely to go ahead, but it’s dependent on four nation talks because Scotland want to do it earlier (Scottish half term is only a couple of weeks away, whereas England and Wales is still a month away)

 

One thing for sure if that compliance will be way down on the first lockdown. 

[Connor Malinas]

6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m hearing that the “circuit breaker” is likely to go ahead, but it’s dependent on four nation talks because Scotland want to do it earlier (Scottish half term is only a couple of weeks away, whereas England and Wales is still a month away)

 

One thing for sure if that compliance will be way down on the first lockdown. 

What is the circuit breaker?

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, Connor Malinas said:

What is the circuit breaker?

A short but restrictive national lockdown (stay at home apart from work/exercise/shopping) that lasts a couple of weeks and ensures that the vast majority of current virus carriers don’t spread to anyone outside their household. It would only last a couple of weeks but should help suppress the virus for a bit allowing us time to sort us Test & Trace. 

[Connor Malinas]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

A short but restrictive national lockdown (stay at home apart from work/exercise/shopping) that lasts a couple of weeks and ensures that the vast majority of current virus carriers don’t spread to anyone outside their household. It would only last a couple of weeks but should help suppress the virus for a bit allowing us time to sort us Test & Trace. 

is it going to be one of these things that we all agree to and then end up being looked inside for months again, thats my only worry

[PolygonWindow]

23 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Second national lockdown will be in place by the time October half term rolls around, I am sure. 

I live in Essex and we’ve had no local lockdowns and numbers are significantly lower than everywhere else.

 

A national lockdown seems so far away to me compared to people who are plotted around the high infection count places, it’s such a weird feeling.

[JoeyT]

It's absolutely facial to punish those in areas with such low numbers of infections.

How do you get those people on board?

"You guys have done really well on keeping infections down but we're slapping a 2 week lockdown on you because things are out of control elsewhere"

Doesn't seem right to me and there will definitely be more "rule" flouting than previously.

[PolygonWindow]

Just now, JoeyT said:

It's absolutely facial to punish those in areas with such low numbers of infections.

How do you get those people on board?

"You guys have done really well on keeping infections down but we're slapping a 2 week lockdown on you because things are out of control elsewhere"

Doesn't seem right to me and there will definitely be more "rule" flouting than previously.

yea but tbf mate, it might just have to be the way. 
 

I would take 2 weeks lockdown if it meant the country benefits and some kind of normality without a cure is considered closer.

[squirrelarmy]

The issue with separate lockdowns is that people in locked down areas will travel to places where there are no restrictions because they don’t want to miss out on socialising. 
 

It’s a sad truth that has to be dealt with. 
 

I know I seem bad as I’m always in the pub but I follow the guidelines and I knew this was coming so I’m prepared to spend the next 6 months inside if I have to, just made the most of what has been allowed. 

[Chapple12345]

6 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

It's absolutely facial to punish those in areas with such low numbers of infections.

How do you get those people on board?

"You guys have done really well on keeping infections down but we're slapping a 2 week lockdown on you because things are out of control elsewhere"

Doesn't seem right to me and there will definitely be more "rule" flouting than previously.

I'm in Norfolk and completely agree, I'm happy to comply with rules but I would feel a bit miffed as to why I need to stay at home because if a flare up somewhere 200 miles+ away from me, I think they need to bring in Welsh style rules of not being able to travel out of your home county without a valid reason within the high risk areas therefore its stopping spreading.

If they do a circuit break lockown then they need to confirm that it will only last the 2 weeks instead of adding weeks on indefinitely as people wouldnt comply otherwise 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Chapple12345

[JoeyT]

1 minute ago, PolygonWindow said:

yea but tbf mate, it might just have to be the way. 

I would take 2 weeks lockdown if it meant the country benefits and some kind of normality without a cure is considered closer.

This is the issue though. 2 weeks of it just kicks the can down the road.

As soon as the rules are relaxed again cases will rise.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, JoeyT said:

This is the issue though. 2 weeks of it just kicks the can down the road.

As soon as the rules are relaxed again cases will rise.

That's the game though.  Kick the can down the road to "flatten the curve" so that health services aren't overwhelmed until and a vaccine is found or enough immunity is built up in the population.  

[gigpusher]

1 hour ago, kaytee... said:

This shit is never gonna end 

I was going to say so in answer to the original thread question it seems the answer is never. 

 

I don't get to read this thread religiously so don't know if it has been asked and answered but it seems we are getting lots more cases but far fewer deaths. Are we getting better at treating or is the virus becoming less potent (probably not the scientific way of describing it) 

Just wondering if we can manage it better now are the lockdowns etc as necessary because I personally know 3 people who have had relatives die from Covid but about 15 who have died as a result of cancers that were diagnosed relatively recently (ie sincle lockdown), I know of a few people who have died of heart attacks and even 2 cases of sadly quite young people who have commit suicide. Surely it gets to the stage where you have to balance risk to life from covid vs risk to life from other issues created by covid. One of my friends lost her Mum and Uncle within 4 weeks of each other to cancer that were diagnosed since lockdown. Both in their late 50's and early 60's. Both lost so quickly because of delays accessing other treatments because of COVID. Maybe they both would still have died but perhaps they would have had a few more precious years if it weren't for all the restrictions. 

[PolygonWindow]

4 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

This is the issue though. 2 weeks of it just kicks the can down the road.

As soon as the rules are relaxed again cases will rise.

Yeah that’s bang on to be honest

but do we just keep kicking it down the road to give us time?

Time enables cure?

Edited September 25, 2020 by PolygonWindow
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[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

The issue with separate lockdowns is that people in locked down areas will travel to places where there are no restrictions because they don’t want to miss out on socialising. 
 

It’s a sad truth that has to be dealt with. 
 

I know I seem bad as I’m always in the pub but I follow the guidelines and I knew this was coming so I’m prepared to spend the next 6 months inside if I have to, just made the most of what has been allowed. 

So it’s all your fault? 😉

[squirrelarmy]

Just seen this on my fb feed. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

So it’s all your fault? 😉

If cases drop in Leeds while I’m hiding indoors I’ll accept responsibility 😂

[zahidf]

13 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

The issue with separate lockdowns is that people in locked down areas will travel to places where there are no restrictions because they don’t want to miss out on socialising. 
 

It’s a sad truth that has to be dealt with. 
 

I know I seem bad as I’m always in the pub but I follow the guidelines and I knew this was coming so I’m prepared to spend the next 6 months inside if I have to, just made the most of what has been allowed. 

LOl no chance im doing that.

 

A circuit breaker without financial assistance is ridiculous IMO. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

That's the game though.  Kick the can down the road to "flatten the curve" so that health services aren't overwhelmed until and a vaccine is found or enough immunity is built up in the population.  

Yeah but locking down too early means the can doesn’t need to be kicked yet.

 

In the absence of a vaccine, herd immunity is the only exit strategy, therefore the optimum strategy is to lock down as late as possible to allow as many cases as you can without overwhelming the NHS. Lockdown early and you end up taking much longer to achieve that herd immunity. 
 

Remember that the vast majority of us will get covid-19 at some point so getting it now is better than getting it later. 

[PolygonWindow]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yeah but locking down too early means the can doesn’t need to be kicked yet.

 

In the absence of a vaccine, herd immunity is the only exit strategy, therefore the optimum strategy is to lock down as late as possible to allow as many cases as you can without overwhelming the NHS. Lockdown early and you end up taking much longer to achieve that herd immunity. 
 

Remember that the vast majority of us will get covid-19 at some point so getting it now is better than getting it later. 

what a mess this is.

i need a beer now 😂