Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Stern words now by the Shadow Chancellor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ace56blaa Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Guess we're fucked. I'm sorry how is this good for the people who needed it the most. SO MANY MORE GAPSSSSSSSSSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace56blaa Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Bye Bye to so many sectors bye Bye to the arts. Everyone needs to get a new job lolollollol. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace56blaa Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 YAY RIshi is doing a boris impressions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 So what About the businesses that aren’t able to function at all at the moment .... Do they get nothing ? Or did I miss something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace56blaa Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said: So what About the businesses that aren’t able to function at all at the moment .... Do they get nothing ? Or did I miss something ? Yep they get nothing, they basically said they are protecting VIABLE jobs. So anyone else has to somehow get a new job. FUCK rishi, who the hell likes this fraud hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelarmy Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I’ve just started watching will see if anything was missed. £12 billion on test and trace? Would love to see how that has been spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Firms will not be allowed to make staff redundant while they are on the scheme, he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Doesn’t go far enough to reconcile with the restrictions, IMO. For me we should be looking at 80% furlough for those who work for businesses who are forced to close because of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Also for MONTHS the government kept saying support wouldn’t be extended, businesses would’ve planned for that and now suddenly after cases have been rising for weeks now they announce new measures. It’s so unorganised and reeks of panic. Clearly the support is good for those that are applicable but serious questions have to be asked at why it’s taken them this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettredmayne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Most concert venues will have no choice but to make staff redundant. That scheme won't help them with no income coming in and no real idea when gigs can actually go ahead properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace56blaa Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Like this government really has no sympathy does it Edited September 24, 2020 by ace56blaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Why do the Government get to decide what a ‘viable job’ is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, eFestivals said: sounds like it works for me! hmm, totally misunderstood how it works. It will work for me - I think - but it's a heavy load on wages costs from the employer, of at least 55% of the wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Ozanne said: Why do the Government get to decide what a ‘viable job’ is? Can I decide that Boris job isn’t viable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Why do the Government get to decide what a ‘viable job’ is? Serious question - whom else would you suggest does that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, eFestivals said: hmm, totally misunderstood how it works. It will work for me - I think - but it's a heavy load on wages costs from the employer, of at least 55% of the wage. I swear he said the business would pay a 3rd of the wages then the government would cover 2/3rds? I probably didn’t understand him. 1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said: Can I decide that Boris job isn’t viable ? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Ozanne said: I swear he said the business would pay a 3rd of the wages then the government would cover 2/3rds? I probably didn’t understand him. I can't even remember what I took it to be now, but I definitely didn't think it was like that graphic - but presumably that graphic is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said: Serious question - whom else would you suggest does that? To be honest I’m not really sure, society as a whole. I just don’t like that if the Government thinks a job isn’t viable in their eyes then that’s it. Surely you could keep people in jobs like they currently are (for sectors that need it) then when the crises is over and trade returns then the jobs are there for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzim Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said: Probably the Scottish one, which I’ve got, screams out the warning ‘ get yourself back across the border ya bastard right now’ if I dare cross into England 😉 Just tested it, maybe it has set an alarm off somewhere. Question I have is what postcode do I use for the English one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, eFestivals said: hmm, totally misunderstood how it works. It will work for me - I think - but it's a heavy load on wages costs from the employer, of at least 55% of the wage. By the end of October they'll already be paying 20% of wages for 0 hours. So they effectively go up to paying 35% more wages for 33% of the hours. For a large enough company where you could go from furloughing 50% of your employees completely, to furloughing X% more on a 33% hours basis, it could probably be no more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Ozanne said: To be honest I’m not really sure, society as a whole. I just don’t like that if the Government thinks a job isn’t viable in their eyes then that’s it. It's not quite the govt who's doing it, it's the economics - whether a business can get by with Sunak's offering. Whatever Sunak offered there'd still be an economic crunch point for some (the worst-off) businesses. Just now, Ozanne said: Surely you could keep people in jobs like they currently are (for sectors that need it) then when the crises is over and trade returns then the jobs are there for them? I think Sunak's thinking is this... 1. if you can't work there's no viable job there. 2. you can get another job in the meantime (subject to availability, of course) 3. if the old job comes back in the future, you can return to that job if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, eFestivals said: It's not quite the govt who's doing it, it's the economics - whether a business can get by with Sunak's offering. Whatever Sunak offered there'd still be an economic crunch point for some (the worst-off) businesses. I think Sunak's thinking is this... 1. if you can't work there's no viable job there. 2. you can get another job in the meantime (subject to availability, of course) 3. if the old job comes back in the future, you can return to that job if you want to. I think they need a separate compensation scheme for businesses closed under their regulations ( i.e, sectoral) Saying that, Rishi also said the economy is shifting permanently as a result of Covid, so i think they are braced for failures of some businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, eFestivals said: It's not quite the govt who's doing it, it's the economics - whether a business can get by with Sunak's offering. Whatever Sunak offered there'd still be an economic crunch point for some (the worst-off) businesses. I think Sunak's thinking is this... 1. if you can't work there's no viable job there. 2. you can get another job in the meantime (subject to availability, of course) 3. if the old job comes back in the future, you can return to that job if you want to. All those options add extreme measures of stress and anxiety don’t they? If you kept furlough like it is wouldn’t that help those measures at least for a while. This is the thing there isn’t a viable job because the Government have asked people to stay at home and have put restrictions on businesses. The Government said at the beginning that no one should lose out for doing the right thing, they will now possibly be losing out for doing the right thing. I really get how tough it is to find the right option and no way is perfect; I’m just worried this might not be the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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