When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

QAnon in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/18/qanon-conspiracy-theory-gaining-ground-in-uk-analysis-shows

[zahidf]

I'm probably more annoyed about a second lockdown than the first. No excuses for fucking up so badly.  Bloody idiots in govt 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm probably more annoyed about a second lockdown than the first. No excuses for fucking up so badly.  Bloody idiots in govt 

Too busy messing around with brexit negotiations and raining hard on whitehall.

[Mr.Tease]

20 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm probably more annoyed about a second lockdown than the first. No excuses for fucking up so badly.  Bloody idiots in govt 

I don't get why they're just trying to decide what to do now, why didn't they think all this through over summer? Everyone knew it was coming. And Cummings fancies himself as a long range forecaster! 

[FestivalJamie]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

I don't get why they're just trying to decide what to do now, why didn't they think all this through over summer? Everyone knew it was coming. And Cummings fancies himself as a long range forecaster! 

Remember though, in their heads it was “back to normal by Christmas”.

[Ozanne]

Get some Aloe Vera for this burn by Guake.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

I don't get why they're just trying to decide what to do now, why didn't they think all this through over summer? Everyone knew it was coming. And Cummings fancies himself as a long range forecaster! 

Because they are the worst government in our lifetime if not ever. 

[efcfanwirral]

43 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm probably more annoyed about a second lockdown than the first. No excuses for fucking up so badly.  Bloody idiots in govt 

It's a weird one - I think the only other option was that we stay in full lockdown the whole year. 

There should've just been honesty about what was coming in winter - any logical person knew this was coming eventually, that there would be full winter restrictions on socialising and maybe full lockdowns til April/May, its just come a few weeks earlier than we thought. 

Not a lot could've been done otherwise I don't think 

Edited September 18, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[zahidf]

22 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

It's a weird one - I think the only other option was that we stay in full lockdown the whole year. 

There should've just been honesty about what was coming in winter - any logical person knew this was coming eventually, that there would be full winter restrictions on socialising and maybe full lockdowns til April/May, its just come a few weeks earlier than we thought. 

Not a lot could've been done otherwise I don't think 

They can't afford to have a 6 month lockdown until april/may. And people just won't stand for it

[FestivalJamie]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

They can't afford to have a 6 month lockdown until april/may. And people just won't stand for it

What is ridiculous though is people were on their doorsteps clapping for the NHS and now people want to deny that the threat of the virus still exists and refuse to accept any more socialising and lockdown restrictions.

[parsonjack]

233199 people tested today and 4322 cases reported positive.  That's roughly 1 positive in every 54 tests.  I can understand some, yes some, people may have symptoms that are attributable to illnesses other than Covid, but not 53 out of 54, or 98% of them.  How many of those actually have no symptoms and are simply there to get unnecessarily checked, and in doing so are clogging the system for those who really need it? 

[Ozanne]

A YouGov poll in a The Times shows Labour level with the Tories

 

[eFestivals]

4 hours ago, parsonjack said:

233199 people tested today and 4322 cases reported positive.  That's roughly 1 positive in every 54 tests.  I can understand some, yes some, people may have symptoms that are attributable to illnesses other than Covid, but not 53 out of 54, or 98% of them.  How many of those actually have no symptoms and are simply there to get unnecessarily checked, and in doing so are clogging the system for those who really need it? 

whoa! Hang on...!

If a kid sneezes at school, he's sent home until he's been tested.

Etc, etc, etc.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Don't know much about US politics but apparently this is very sad news, and potentially very bad news (unless you're a Republican/Trump-fan).

 

[Matt42]

Ian Brown has totally lost the plot

[Matt42]

Starting to know why Liam is starting to outlast all his ‘rivals’s

 

[parsonjack]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

whoa! Hang on...!

If a kid sneezes at school, he's sent home until he's been tested.

Etc, etc, etc.

Understood....but surely there has to be something wrong with the system when 98% of people tested are negative? I mean that's good, but it can't be helping the availability of tests? 

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Understood....but surely there has to be something wrong with the system when 98% of people tested are negative? I mean that's good, but it can't be helping the availability of tests? 

People have been told to be cautious about symptoms and that's what they're being, with encouragement from govt placed TV ads.

The fault in the system is not enough tests.

[FestivalJamie]

3 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Understood....but surely there has to be something wrong with the system when 98% of people tested are negative? I mean that's good, but it can't be helping the availability of tests? 

The way I understood it, the availability of tests is there, but the turnaround time is really slow from a backlog in processing the tests in the labs. Which means they then make less tests available to the public while they try to clear the backlog.

The turnaround times in Italy and Germany are much quicker which is why I believe their infection rates sit lower.

When we are mass testing, we are looking at testing nhs workers, teachers, school kids sent home and those in their bubbles, care workers and residents etc etc. The point of this is to gain a bigger picture of how the epidemic is progressing. If 90% of people were coming forward with symptoms, then the true scale of the epidemic would be far worse. So that’s why I think the amount tested is a lot higher than the amount positive to try and control the pandemic, but then you need quick lab turnaround times and an effective contact tracing system, both of which we don’t have.

And then to add onto all of that, we really need to come up with some rapid test solution (like Italy’s 30 minute tests) where we can test all airport arrivals, rather than a 2 week quarantine which is not even checked and probably barely stuck to by most. By carrying out rapid tests and catching 90% of cases you are going to stop the virus more than asking people to quarantine and then not enforcing it. Rapid testing would then work well in schools and universities where whole bubbles wouldn’t have to isolate unnecessary. We know the rapid tests are less accurate, but the ones in Italy and out in Florida are accurate enough to control the epidemic and catch more cases than the policies the UK have in place at the moment.

[zero000]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Don't know much about US politics but apparently this is very sad news, and potentially very bad news (unless you're a Republican/Trump-fan).

 

Can’t trust Trump and the Republicans to honour this agreement. They’re going to stuff someone into that role ASAP. 

As an aside the politicisation of the courts in America is truly fucked up. Terrible idea all around. 

[Reckoner]

The problem is not the people with symptoms, it’s the ones who are asymptomatic. People with symptoms are easier to convince to self isolate or are sick enough to seek treatment. Without a robust testing system and the ability to catch the asymptomatic carriers before they start spreading, coupled with proper contact tracing and quick testing of identified contacts of positive carriers you’ll always be chasing your tail. That’s before you take into account the fact that positive carriers will continue to be landing at the airport everyday with no quarantine or isolation compliance. 

[Mr.Tease]

9 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

The way I understood it, the availability of tests is there, but the turnaround time is really slow from a backlog in processing the tests in the labs. Which means they then make less tests available to the public while they try to clear the backlog.

The turnaround times in Italy and Germany are much quicker which is why I believe their infection rates sit lower.

When we are mass testing, we are looking at testing nhs workers, teachers, school kids sent home and those in their bubbles, care workers and residents etc etc. The point of this is to gain a bigger picture of how the epidemic is progressing. If 90% of people were coming forward with symptoms, then the true scale of the epidemic would be far worse. So that’s why I think the amount tested is a lot higher than the amount positive to try and control the pandemic, but then you need quick lab turnaround times and an effective contact tracing system, both of which we don’t have.

And then to add onto all of that, we really need to come up with some rapid test solution (like Italy’s 30 minute tests) where we can test all airport arrivals, rather than a 2 week quarantine which is not even checked and probably barely stuck to by most. By carrying out rapid tests and catching 90% of cases you are going to stop the virus more than asking people to quarantine and then not enforcing it. Rapid testing would then work well in schools and universities where whole bubbles wouldn’t have to isolate unnecessary. We know the rapid tests are less accurate, but the ones in Italy and out in Florida are accurate enough to control the epidemic and catch more cases than the policies the UK have in place at the moment.

I wonder if Germany and Italy just put one of their mates in charge of testing rather than... actually interview people and choose the most talented. Absolute joke that’s how we fill the most important positions here.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Mr.Tease

[zero000]

13 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

The way I understood it, the availability of tests is there, but the turnaround time is really slow from a backlog in processing the tests in the labs. Which means they then make less tests available to the public while they try to clear the backlog.

The turnaround times in Italy and Germany are much quicker which is why I believe their infection rates sit lower.

When we are mass testing, we are looking at testing nhs workers, teachers, school kids sent home and those in their bubbles, care workers and residents etc etc. The point of this is to gain a bigger picture of how the epidemic is progressing. If 90% of people were coming forward with symptoms, then the true scale of the epidemic would be far worse. So that’s why I think the amount tested is a lot higher than the amount positive to try and control the pandemic, but then you need quick lab turnaround times and an effective contact tracing system, both of which we don’t have.

And then to add onto all of that, we really need to come up with some rapid test solution (like Italy’s 30 minute tests) where we can test all airport arrivals, rather than a 2 week quarantine which is not even checked and probably barely stuck to by most. By carrying out rapid tests and catching 90% of cases you are going to stop the virus more than asking people to quarantine and then not enforcing it. Rapid testing would then work well in schools and universities where whole bubbles wouldn’t have to isolate unnecessary. We know the rapid tests are less accurate, but the ones in Italy and out in Florida are accurate enough to control the epidemic and catch more cases than the policies the UK have in place at the moment.

Rapid testing isn’t also the silver bullet it’s made out to be. It’s less accurate than the PCR version and could lead to a huge number of false positives if rolled out at the 10m a day “moonshot” scheme. We’re talking potentially 600,000 people per week being wrong classed as positive, assuming 1% false positives. They’re probably going to need to follow up these tests with a PCR tests to get an accurate picture.

Edited September 19, 2020 by zero000

[Ryan1984]

I won’t link to it on here but that twat Dan Wootton has written a Scum piece really going for Chris Whitty and claiming the future - and Boris’s leadership - is at stake if we continue to follow his advice. The BorisBoys are gunning for Chris on Twitter now, calling him ‘wet Whitty’ etc.