When will this shit end?

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, jparx said:

I’m so lost with the messaging at the minute. “Eat Out to Help Out”, “get back to work”, then “Damn young people spreading the virus!”. The hell do they expect? If you want to give up on this and focus on helping the economy then fine, but don’t then point the finger at us as case numbers inevitably rise. He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too...typical Tory move.

That's exactly what he's trying to do. They don't want to admit anything they've done has caused issues so will pass the blame onto others.

[steviewevie]

one take on uk govt tactics..(read whole thread)

 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, SDSM said:

Hi Guys, I hope your all doing well. I've reflected on my recent behaviour on this site. I am deeply sorry to anyone I may have offended. I've had a stressful few weeks after being put on new medication to manage my condition and this has sent me a bit scatty and made my social anxiety go through the roof. I've spoke with my Consultant on Saturday and he has put me back on my old meds. 

This is how I plan on using Efestivals going forward...

• Ignored users: Ive added @Ozanne to my ignored users which should mean I will not see his posts and therefore won't downvote.
• I will not post controversial points of views and try and be balanced *I am still a Tory so please remember that*
• I will treat you all with respect and dignity you deserve
• I will follow the advise of @stuartbert two hats with respect to down voting.
• i will listen to any further advise given in the future.

I wan't to thank everyone for their kind words especially @crazyfool1 for listening to me and offering support. 

I'm sure you can all understand that living with EUPD and ADHD can be hard especially when being on this forum, So if I feel I'm getting fed up I will take myself away from the threads before I post anything which could upset anyone. I love reading these threads as I LOVE festivals. sometimes there the only things that keep me strong in life! 

I hope we can all start again and accept the new and improved me! This is my old account which I forgot I had so ill use this going forward. @eFestivals Please give me the chance to show you I mean what i've said an will ensure I stick to the words here. Please don't put this account on moderation as I wan't to be able to use these forums to the full potential.

Again all, I am sorry and I hope we I can be forgiven and my previous out of order behaviour can be forgotten about. 

Peace and Love

Stu Xx

Glad to hear you have a plan, apology if my advice came across as condescending, I was worried that it came across more as piling on than trying to help.

[DeanoL]

6 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Yep. You said you wouldn’t be overly concerned. We run a very real risk of complacency and those comments epitomise that. This virus is deadly, any rise in cases should concern you. 

I think what people are getting at is that the numbers are within the range of what we would expect, given the opening up of the economy.

I mean I get the point, the answers to "how many deaths are okay?" and "how many people with long term health issues are okay?" should be zero. But it's not. That's the cruel reality we face now. 

Don't buy in to the government nonsense that cases are only going up because people are breaking the rules. Following the rules reduces risk, it doesn't eliminate it. 

I'm fine with people pushing for a "zero-COVID" approach but you can't realisitcally do that without pushing for a return to a full lockdown, until we have a vaccine. Anything else puts more people at risk, and at that point we're just arguing over what death/infection rate we're each willing to tolerate.

I've personally taken a very conservative approach to this, left the house this week for the first time to do anything other than a twice weekly walk (and one drive in comedy night). I think people who are going out to pubs and restaurants are being complacent, given, y'know, it's a deadly virus with unknown long term effects. 

But I don't call out everyone on here that posts about going to the pub saying they're being too complacent.

The current rules are there to try and rescue the economy, not prevent the spread of COVID. The fact that you can socialise at a 1m social distance with friends in Manchester in a busy pub, but not in an otherwise empty house, should be the only evidence anyone ever needs for that. It makes no medical sense whatsoever. COVID doesn't ignore people in pubs. It's driven purely by economics. 

Not that that, in itself, is necessarily the wrong approach. The long term effects of a broken economy are also really bad. It's just that if you think preventing anyone else getting ill is the most important thing, and you've gone to the pub or a restaurant, you're doing it wrong.

[Ayrshire Chris]

28 minutes ago, Wellyboot said:

Three for me 😔 fallow, missed out on tickets then the shit storm that is 2020

Not just Glastonbury, any festival,  any wristband!  I’d even do the rewind festival if it was on, now that shows desperation😉

[steviewevie]

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

11 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I think what people are getting at is that the numbers are within the range of what we would expect, given the opening up of the economy.

I mean I get the point, the answers to "how many deaths are okay?" and "how many people with long term health issues are okay?" should be zero. But it's not. That's the cruel reality we face now. 

Don't buy in to the government nonsense that cases are only going up because people are breaking the rules. Following the rules reduces risk, it doesn't eliminate it. 

I'm fine with people pushing for a "zero-COVID" approach but you can't realisitcally do that without pushing for a return to a full lockdown, until we have a vaccine. Anything else puts more people at risk, and at that point we're just arguing over what death/infection rate we're each willing to tolerate.

I've personally taken a very conservative approach to this, left the house this week for the first time to do anything other than a twice weekly walk (and one drive in comedy night). I think people who are going out to pubs and restaurants are being complacent, given, y'know, it's a deadly virus with unknown long term effects. 

But I don't call out everyone on here that posts about going to the pub saying they're being too complacent.

The current rules are there to try and rescue the economy, not prevent the spread of COVID. The fact that you can socialise at a 1m social distance with friends in Manchester in a busy pub, but not in an otherwise empty house, should be the only evidence anyone ever needs for that. It makes no medical sense whatsoever. COVID doesn't ignore people in pubs. It's driven purely by economics. 

Not that that, in itself, is necessarily the wrong approach. The long term effects of a broken economy are also really bad. It's just that if you think preventing anyone else getting ill is the most important thing, and you've gone to the pub or a restaurant, you're doing it wrong.

Without a functioning economy there is no NHS. 

 

[zahidf]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

one take on uk govt tactics..(read whole thread)

 

Like with most things with this shitty govt, who knows?

[gizmoman]

John Campbell's latest look at the Vitamin D research. He doesn't mince his words calls the WHO etc. unethical for not looking at this properly.

[rmartin1803]

1 hour ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Not just Glastonbury, any festival,  any wristband!  I’d even do the rewind festival if it was on, now that shows desperation😉

Time’s must be really tough if your doing rewind Chris 😂!!

[FestivalJamie]

What I personally find silly is the government are likely to u-turn on the airport testing strategy in 2-3 weeks, but by then the virus will be circulating in much higher volumes in the country meaning that other stricter measures will be needed to curb the spread of the virus.

Countries like Germany, Italy, Denmark, Cyprus and Iceland have all shown how airport testing is one of the key strategies to stop such a sharp increase in cases. I don’t know how our government is so delusional to that, and I know they are going to u turn soon, but by then it will be too late as we will have reached a France/spain situation where other measures are needed to stop the spread.

The other major issue we have here is that the airport tests would be very pricey, in germany they are free. I just can’t see the government offering us free airport tests and it’s part of why the strategy is never going to work, because people won’t want to cough up such a hefty price for a test.

The major issue I have with the current 14 day quarantine is it just isn’t enforced properly, and that means a lot of people will be breaking it without being fined, even someone popping to the local pub for an evening from a high risk zone could lead to an outbreak or something similar.

Edited September 6, 2020 by FestivalJamie

[eFestivals]

9 hours ago, DeanoL said:

Don't buy in to the government nonsense that cases are only going up because people are breaking the rules.

who knew that the govt changed tack many months ago, to absolve themselves and blame the public when the infections inevitably went up.  

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

who knew that the govt changed tack many months ago, to absolve themselves and blame the public when the infections inevitably went up.  

The tory MPs are very disappointed that the general public aren't buying more pret sandwiches whilst keeping infections down.

We've really let them down

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

The tory MPs are very disappointed that the general public aren't buying more pret sandwiches whilst keeping infections down.

We've really let them down

They are the biggest casualties in all of this. 

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, gizmoman said:

John Campbell's latest look at the Vitamin D research. He doesn't mince his words calls the WHO etc. unethical for not looking at this properly.

Wouldn't WHO and govts have pushed the vit D thing if the research had proven it's effectivemess definitevely...otherwise you might just get people loading up on the stuff thinking they were immune...?

Edited September 7, 2020 by steviewevie

[Ayrshire Chris]

7 hours ago, rmartin1803 said:

Time’s must be really tough if your doing rewind Chris 😂!!

Didn’t say I would  just using it as a measure of my desperation!  I yearn to wear a wristband again😉   I might just have to dig out some of my old Glastonbury ones put them on and watch the bbc coverage ! 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Ayrshire Chris

[Matt42]

I’ve just had a coronavirus test and it really isn’t pleasant 

[stt11]

8 hours ago, gizmoman said:

John Campbell's latest look at the Vitamin D research. He doesn't mince his words calls the WHO etc. unethical for not looking at this properly.

John Campbell wrote the course book, for a first year, course module, I did at the University of Leeds, 25 years ago. It was called Mind and Body. It was about the Philosophy of the mind and the body. It claimed that, 'the mind supervenes on the body'. Bit of a weird one.

The book was great though, it was unusually small and made the point really briefly and accurately; with no fuss. Will have to buy Vitamin D now!!!👩‍🚀🙂

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by stt11

[Mr.Tease]

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

Great idea to show everyone you can't be trusted to honour any deal you sign, when you're about to have to strike lots of international deals 

[efcfanwirral]

42 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The tory MPs are very disappointed that the general public aren't buying more pret sandwiches whilst keeping infections down.

We've really let them down

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/04/pret-manger-boss-sees-long-term-shift-home-working/amp/ - great thing is they seem willing to adapt as a business should, instead of moaning about their plight like the government are - this feels like a strategic distancing from the campaign which is pretty funny. 

34 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wouldn't WHO and govts have pushed the vit D thing if the research had proven it's effectivemess definitevely...otherwise you might just get people loading up on the stuff thinking they were immune...?

Likely the same reason as masks - we just dont have enough supplements...

 

Oh and some Monday madness...looks like we're back to this....

 

[WestCountryGirl]

I just have to put this out there somewhere because I can't mention it in my work chat, as the person who posted it is in there.

I've noticed that a colleague of mine has been posting anti-mask stuff on instagram for weeks. I just have to shrug, because at least it's not like I have to share an office with her at the moment. She just posted a meme that actually included the words "Freedom is maskless and to breathe true oxygen and go where u like" ... ... ...

I'm sorry. What are people breathing through their masks if it is not oxygen? Do these people know that, without oxygen, there would be no walking around, no 'freedom' at all?! Do these anti-mask nutjobs seriously not understand how breathing works? Honestly I can only pity them.

[gizmoman]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Wouldn't WHO and govts have pushed the vit D thing if the research had proven it's effectivemess definitevely...otherwise you might just get people loading up on the stuff thinking they were immune...?

If you don't do the research you don't know for sure, that's his point, the evidence clearly points to it being effective but larger scale trials need to be done to prove it fully, of course there's no financial incentive to do that, anyone can make Vitamin D and it's as cheap as chips, very little money to be made.

[squirrelarmy]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

I’ve just had a coronavirus test and it really isn’t pleasant 

Try having multiple MRI’s every year or having to inject yourself everyday to stay alive. A one off test is no real hardship. 

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

If you don't do the research you don't know for sure, that's his point, the evidence clearly points to it being effective but larger scale trials need to be done to prove it fully, of course there's no financial incentive to do that, anyone can make Vitamin D and it's as cheap as chips, very little money to be made.

Not sure WHO actually carry out much research, they just look at what research there is etc

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

I’ve just had a coronavirus test and it really isn’t pleasant 

was it an up your nose one or back of the throat...or both?