SwedgeAntilles Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Ironically, in Scotland, a vote for Labour is effectively a wasted vote if you're looking to oust the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoptildrop Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) On 8/19/2020 at 12:28 PM, Zoo Music Girl said: They are mandatory in some workplaces but I guess that's down to the employer. My partner's brother temped in an Amazon warehouse for a couple of months this summer and had to wear one the whole time on shift. Definitely wasn't his choice to. DCs it was made mandatory to wear masks in the last update, however I know our DC has had them mandatory for awhile now as there as just some places in picking areas that you cannot keep 2m away so now everyone in masks... In the HQ next door masks are optional as they are keeping capacity under 50% so more room to space out - still doesn't stop things lingering in the air but that's another matter all together Edited August 20, 2020 by shoptildrop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoptildrop Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 He had to do the week in Tory early due to being so many points lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FestivalJamie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 In more mask related news I reported a barbers to the local council yesterday. About 5 customers in there, not a single one was wearing a mask, and not a single member of staff in there was wearing PPE either. Didn’t see any other visible precautions being taken either. I’m hoping by reporting to the council that they will knuckle down and have words with the business owner as obviously the police don’t seem to be playing any part in enforcing the new mask rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, zahidf said: Its fine to have an ideology, but Jez's one lost. time to move on To? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: Because I work with some people that I don’t think are very considerate of others ... pretty non existent social distancing even with vulnerable colleagues like myself ... many who I’ve worked with for many years ... quite honestly I’m scared to be at work at the moment ... so about 20-30% of staff are wearing them ... and for Matt Hancock to talk about not many instances in workplaces maybe a week after the sandwich factory ... 400 cases I believe of workers ... and the desert factory ... 70 I think at last count ... ( I work in a supermarket that’s recommended that we wear them ... but not told us we have to ... and I can see the numbers of customers not wearing them increasing day by day ... maybe not as a direct result of us not wearing them but it’s probably an influencing factor ... I’d like to be around for the next glastonbury Remember that there’s a big difference between telling someone to wear a mask for 30 minutes or so in a situation they’ve chosen to put themselves into (customer in a shop, passenger on transport etc) and mandating someone to wear one for 8 hours straight on a shift. I’m not even sure wearing one really protects people if you’re around them for hours on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, Fuzzy Afro said: Remember that there’s a big difference between telling someone to wear a mask for 30 minutes or so in a situation they’ve chosen to put themselves into (customer in a shop, passenger on transport etc) and mandating someone to wear one for 8 hours straight on a shift. I’m not even sure wearing one really protects people if you’re around them for hours on end. I wear a mask and a shield ... those workers in the covid wards wear more than that ... I’m prepared to do absolutely everything to protect others as much of a pain and as uncomfortable as it is ... but that’s me !! 2 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm. I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Anyway in other news it’s good to see the testing capacity being used ... I’ve always wondered why we have so much spare capacity ... a proactive approach seems sensible ... the ons study is to small for me still though ... surely we should be testing more and earlier in these outbreak areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, mattiloy said: To? That was my question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, JoeyT said: Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm. I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. Totally understand and to start they are not the easiest ... I started slowly and increased the time I wore them over a period of a couple of weeks before they became mandatory and a bit of wear at home ... now second nature although I can’t figure out the glasses and shield steaming up however many techniques from the Internet I try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney McGrew Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 We had compulsory mask wearing in work for a couple of weeks and it was awful, social distancing went out the window due to difficulty in communicating in a noisy environment and people were forever touching and adjusting their masks; I need specs for VDU use and every time I hopped on to a workstation it meant a minute of fiddling with specs and mask to be able to see. Thankfully, a more pragmatic "you must wear a mask if you cannot maintain a 2m distance" was introduced. Personally I would be against compulsory masks in the workplace unless social distancing is not possible in which case fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, zahidf said: Or... the Tories were around 700 votes away in the right places toa majority govt without the DUP Its fine to have an ideology, but Jez's one lost. time to move on Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM. It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, DeanoL said: Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM. It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters? A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, zahidf said: A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir Do you think Corbyn's policies got more socialist between 2017 and 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, DeanoL said: Do you think Corbyn's policies got more socialist between 2017 and 2019? They got more unfocused and far less credible IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 @merkin79 @replica care to add anything to the discussion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
replica Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: @merkin79 @replica care to add anything to the discussion ? 1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said: I’m prepared to do absolutely everything to protect others as much of a pain and as uncomfortable as it is ... but that’s me !! Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, replica said: Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. Ah fair enough .. just the truth ... I’ll buy you a pint on the farm and you can meet me and see ... also worth looking at the post it’s in response to ... Edited August 19, 2020 by crazyfool1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 labour had a chance in 2017...T May was such a terrible campaigner and the tories kept messing up...but by 2019 the main problem for labour as well as brexit was corbyn. He was too unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: They got more unfocused and far less credible IMHO. yeah this. I think most of that was down to McDonnell and Milne and co to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 talk of the devil... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/19/jeremy-corbyn-governments-coronavirus-policy-was-eugenic-herd-immunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DeanoL said: Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM. It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters? it would have been tricky building that coalition...especially with lib dems. Labour need to win back people who switched from labour to tory for first time...and then on top of that need to somehow persuade a whole bunch of tory/snp voters to vote for them. It's a massive ask whoever is in charge. I think labour could well be out of power for ages, especially if Scotland goes its own way which at moment is looking possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeyT said: Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm. I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. Agreed... I’m happy to wear a mask to protect myself and others, but I find them sufficiently uncomfortable that I’d rather just avoid situations when they’re necessary, so for now I’m mainly shopping online and I’d choose to prolong my WFH period if my office mandated masks. Company policy atm is to wear a face covering when coming in and out, and walking around the office, but don’t need to wear one at our desks, but our office hasn’t actually reopened yet so we’ll see if it becomes any stricter when they actually do reopen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelarmy Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 My work policy is wear masks when you’re working within 2 metres of someone. Office and canteens have been rearranged to give people space so masks don’t need to be worn throughout the day. I actually have my own office now which is nice. Different rules on the shopfloor, almost everyone has to be masked up although it’s the bare minimum of compliance, most are barely covering their faces including supervisors who are supposed to be setting the example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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