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On 8/19/2020 at 12:28 PM, Zoo Music Girl said:

They are mandatory in some workplaces but I guess that's down to the employer. My partner's brother temped in an Amazon warehouse for a couple of months this summer and had to wear one the whole time on shift. Definitely wasn't his choice to.

DCs it was made mandatory to wear masks in the last update, however I know our DC has had them mandatory for awhile now as there as just some places in picking areas that you cannot keep 2m away so now everyone in masks...

In the HQ next door masks are optional as they are keeping capacity under 50% so more room to space out - still doesn't stop things lingering in the air but that's another matter all together

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In more mask related news I reported a barbers to the local council yesterday. About 5 customers in there, not a single one was wearing a mask, and not a single member of staff in there was wearing PPE either. Didn’t see any other visible precautions being taken either. I’m hoping by reporting to the council that they will knuckle down and have words with the business owner as obviously the police don’t seem to be playing any part in enforcing the new mask rules.

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56 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Because I work with some people that I don’t think are very considerate of others ... pretty non existent social distancing even with vulnerable colleagues like myself ... many who I’ve worked with for many years ... quite honestly I’m scared to be at work at the moment ... so about 20-30% of staff are wearing them ... and for Matt Hancock to talk about not many instances in workplaces maybe a week after the sandwich factory ... 400 cases I believe of workers ... and the desert factory ... 70 I think at last count ... ( I work in a supermarket that’s recommended that we wear them ... but not told us we have to ... and I can see the numbers of customers not wearing them increasing day by day ... maybe not as a direct result of us not wearing them but it’s probably an influencing factor ... I’d like to be around for the next glastonbury 


 

Remember that there’s a big difference between telling someone to wear a mask for 30 minutes or so in a situation they’ve chosen to put themselves into (customer in a shop, passenger on transport etc) and mandating someone to wear one for 8 hours straight on a shift. I’m not even sure wearing one really protects people if you’re around them for hours on end. 

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Remember that there’s a big difference between telling someone to wear a mask for 30 minutes or so in a situation they’ve chosen to put themselves into (customer in a shop, passenger on transport etc) and mandating someone to wear one for 8 hours straight on a shift. I’m not even sure wearing one really protects people if you’re around them for hours on end. 

I wear a mask and a shield ... those workers in the covid wards wear more than that ... I’m prepared to do absolutely everything to protect others as much of a pain and as uncomfortable as it is ... but that’s me !! 

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Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 

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Anyway in other news it’s good to see the testing capacity being used ... I’ve always wondered why we have so much spare capacity ... a proactive approach seems sensible ... the ons study is to small for me still though ... surely we should be testing more and earlier in these outbreak areas 

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8 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 

Totally understand and to start they are not the easiest ... I started slowly and increased the time I wore them over a period of a couple of weeks before they became mandatory and a bit of wear at home ... now second nature although I can’t figure out the glasses and shield steaming up however many techniques from the Internet I try :) 

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We had compulsory mask wearing in work for a couple of weeks and it was awful, social distancing went out the window due to difficulty in communicating in a noisy environment and people were forever touching and adjusting their masks; I need specs for VDU use and every time I hopped on to a workstation it meant a minute of fiddling with specs and mask to be able to see. Thankfully, a more pragmatic "you must wear a mask if you cannot maintain a 2m distance" was introduced.

Personally I would be against compulsory masks in the workplace unless social distancing is not possible in which case fair enough.  

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Or... the Tories were around 700 votes away in the right places toa  majority govt without the DUP

 

Its fine to have an ideology, but Jez's one lost. time to move on

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

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6 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir

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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir

Do you think Corbyn's policies got more socialist between 2017 and 2019? 

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9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

@merkin79 @replica care to add anything to the discussion ? 

 

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

I’m prepared to do absolutely everything to protect others as much of a pain and as uncomfortable as it is ... but that’s me !! 

Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. 

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8 minutes ago, replica said:

 

Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. 

Ah fair enough .. just the truth ... I’ll buy you a pint on the farm and you can meet me and see ... also worth looking at the post it’s in response to ... 

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1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

it would have been tricky building that coalition...especially with lib dems.

Labour need to win back people who switched from labour to tory for first time...and then on top of that need to somehow persuade a whole bunch of tory/snp voters to vote for them. It's a massive ask whoever is in charge. I think labour could well be out of power for ages, especially if Scotland goes its own way which at moment is looking possible.

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1 hour ago, JoeyT said:

Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 


Agreed... I’m happy to wear a mask to protect myself and others, but I find them sufficiently uncomfortable that I’d rather just avoid situations when they’re necessary, so for now I’m mainly shopping online and I’d choose to prolong my WFH period if my office mandated masks. Company policy atm is to wear a face covering when coming in and out, and walking around the office, but don’t need to wear one at our desks, but our office hasn’t actually reopened yet so we’ll see if it becomes any stricter when they actually do reopen 

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My work policy is wear masks when you’re working within 2 metres of someone. Office and canteens have been rearranged to give people space so masks don’t need to be worn throughout the day. I actually have my own office now which is nice. Different rules on the shopfloor, almost everyone has to be masked up although it’s the bare minimum of compliance, most are barely covering their faces including supervisors who are supposed to be setting the example. 

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